Did anyone do such a poll during the Bush Presidency?
The results do not surprise me. I think I would have a similar reaction to a Bush…I don’t want to say idea…you know what I mean. Someone lists all the virtues of a proposed plan…and it all sounds good to me…then they tell me it’s being proposed by Dick Cheney? I would instantly regard it with suspicion. I would suspect it would be similar if the plan were proposed by Mittens Romney or Mike Huckabee.
That is not at all what the polling was about. Whether certain parts of, e.g., the ACA are more or less popular than the whole would be an entirely different question and require differently structured polling.
And such suspicion, while it would not warrant automatic dismissal, would not be unreasonable, either.
At its core, it seems like a nuanced version of ad hominem - focusing on who, rather than what.
A good idea proposed by Obama or Bush is just as good, logically speaking, as the exact same idea proposed by any Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or independent politician you can name. But ad hominem creeps in and the politician’s name instantly taints the policy’s reputation.
Of course, it could work the other way, too. An extremely popular politician could make even bad legislation look good by having his or her name associated with it. (He or she couldn’t do this many times, though.)
See post #23. It is worthwhile to at least consider the source, just to make sure they’re not trying to pull a fast one.
Absence of evidence is not evidence.
Have you ever taken a Civics class, or a political science class in school?
I can explain it to you so that you don’t have to do another OP when there is a Republican in office, since I know that you’ll be quite as shocked at this kind of activity then.
People are partisan.
I imagine that you are a Republican, and you think that in a fair political system, everybody’s ideas should be judged on merits, and not political party, am I right? Somewhere, though,there are actually Democrats who think that their Democratic standard bearer is right, just because he’s head of their party, and that Republicans, such as yourself, think that he is wrong, regardless of what is done, because it is an opposition party. Crazy, huh?
*Jimmy Kimmel or Jay Leno went on the street and asked people if they were for or against President Obama’s plan to eliminate mental health (or some such goofiness). Democrats were for it, Republicans were against it. * People identify too strongly with their political party, and that’s how they will vote.
If an end goal is good, it could be the performance/plan that engenders the hostility. Proposed Law: “Make everybody happy.”
All will agree that that is a good law, even tho impossible.
**Republicans: **Give everybody Rolls Royces and they will all be happy. BTW, we’ll hire Halliburton to provide the delivery services.
**Democrats: **Give everybody Mercedes Benzes and everybody will be happy. BTW, we’ll fund ACORN to provide delivery services.
Again, I’m sure that you’re a strong Republican, and when your party gets into office, you will be just as shocked at your candidate’s plans being dissed just as readily.
From where did this quotation come?
Yes, something like for the last 220 years, or so.
Cite?
People sure loved Obama when he first got elected and promised so much.
Then, for some reason, things changed.
Must be racism or personal dislike.
Racism and a concentrated political smear campaign, by a group of Republicans who made his failure their number one item of public policy.
But, yeah, racism too. Does anyone really need links to pictures?
So there’s never been a Republican president? Because it should be very simple to point to similar poll results to prove your point if there was one according to you. So please provide the evidence.
Are you taking the position that an absence of evidence is proof? You’re asking for a cite for a commonsensical conclusion, that people are prejudiced when they consider the source. You probably are too. For example, if you heard you were eligible for a monetary gift, you’d likely be interested. If you heard you were eligible for a for a monetary gift from your worst enemy, you’d likely be suspicious.
I would be interested in similar polls on any politician, of any party, not just Bush II. My suspicion is that in Obama’s case, the effect is more pronounced, and I further expect that the variance is due to a popular misconception of Obama as strongly liberal.
I provided three polls by 3 different polling organizations about three different topics which showed that the mere mention of Obama changed perceptions. How come there’s not a single poll that is the equivalent from any president before?
Dunno. How come there are (supposedly, I haven’t looked and might not find 'em if I did) no polls showing that other politicians do not suffer from partisan reactions?
Maybe because as much as some people disliked George W. Bush his detractors disliked him because his policies sucked, not because they were his?
Seriously, I find it fascinating that in an age where we have polls upon polls that nobody finds it meaningful that Bush, Clinton or any of the other recent Presidents have never had polls that showed that their policies were liked unless their name was dropped.
Let’s keep the personal comments out of the discussion, please.
That goes for everyone in this thread.
So the poster’s history of being incredibly wrong about polling isn’t fair game in a thread where he is showing a fundamental lack of understanding about polling? shrugs