For some reason I had NO idea they were making a new Matrix movie. What’s more, it is releasing over Christmas. Complete whoosh on me…totally missed this was coming.
I am curious though. I thought at the very end of Revolutions the Architect said he would keep his promise to Neo. So…why is this happening again? (not complaining, interested in the story)
Because Hollywood is lazy and bereft of new ideas.
Spoken as someone who gave up on the franchise in the second movie, which was so stupid it hurt my head.
The Matrix definitely suffered from its own success.
The first was such a huge success that the rest suffered. So much money led to a bloated mess.
I sat through the latest Bill and Ted movie (which was a total shit show), I guess I can sit through this.
I mean, the only answer here is “Watch the movie and find out.” But remember at the end of Revolutions what was said was that the Matrix would still continue, and those that wanted to leave could. Also Neo and Trinity both died. So I’m guessing maybe they’re programs?
Well that trailer looks amazing and I’m actually planning on watching this in the theater even though it’s on HBO max.
For what it’s worth, the Matrix Online Video game actually continued the story (well, broad outlines) of the movies, complete with different factions arising in the matrix and was considered cannon. Although with a new movie, I suspect that like a lot of properties it will be de-canonized.
I’m sure I’ll get a lot of pushback with this, but I thought all of the Matrix movies were good. I think it’s just fashionable to bash the sequels. IMO, they were miles ahead of 80% of most of the movies out there.
It’s sort of bastardization of ‘regression toward the mean’. The sequels are judged against the original - not against movies in general.
I’m glad they are trying to expand that world. I’m looking forward to it. Whether it will live up to it’s potential remains to be seen.
I did too. I agree with the general sentiment that the sequels got a little too grandiose, but I enjoyed them and still pull out the DVDs occasionally.
Thanks for your opinion. I’ll give it all the consideration it is due.
I dislike the sequel on its own merit. I’m not a slave to “fashion”. Who would care? I’m not out to impress the twitter-verse with my trend-driven dislike of a movie that came out 18 years ago.
I agree. The first one was great as a stand alone. The next two were, as you said, a bloated mess.
But I bet everyone would have went nuts itching for a sequel had they not existed.
Pushing back.
Sort of.
I’m ok with other people liking movies that I didn’t, so if you enjoyed the sequels, I’m not going to push back against that.
I am going to push back against this:
This is frankly a sore spot for me. I didn’t like the sequels because I didn’t like them. I enjoyed some parts, but overall I came out of the theater not liking them. Before I had any idea what the “fashionable” opinion was supposed to be.
I could equally well say that contending a film that has been highly criticized is really a good film and all the detractors are merely mouthing fashionable opinions has itself become the fashion. But I don’t want to dismiss someone else’s opinion and tastes like that.
If you say that you enjoyed the sequels and thought they were better than 80% of the other movies out there, I accept that as your honest opinion.
Again, I’m not telling you that you shouldn’t have liked them. But I didn’t, and the reasons had nothing to do with “fashion”.
As to the trailer itself, I’ve got to admit, I’m intrigued. I loved the first movie. As is apparently the “fashionable” opinion, I thought the sequels were bloviated messes that didn’t actually understand what what worked in the original. But that hit I got from the original got me to slog through both sequels, hoping to recapture that magic, and Architect help me, I’m now excited to see if this one manages it.
I loved the first film. I thought the second film had some good scenes (especially action scenes), in particular the one that was on the freeway, but the film overall was a disappointment. I struggled to even get through the 3rd film. I found everything boring; from the “Superman” battle between Neo and Agent Smith, to the “shoot a million robot squids with exoskeletons”, to the “CyberJesus” ending. The first 2 films explored how cool it was to be in the Matrix and manipulate it, while the 3rd movie pretty much took everyone out of the Matrix. And I definitely don’t bash that third movie to be fashionable. I really enjoy the franchise overall and I tried very hard to like it, I just couldn’t.
I don’t mind a 4th one though. I really enjoyed the John Wick films a lot, and so I’ve become a Keanu Reaves action film fan, and am cautiously optimistic about this movie.
The first film depicted humans working against the Matrix in a sneaky, subversive way, because they couldn’t possibly survive a direct confrontation. The sequels, for the most part, inverted that dynamic and gave us increasingly titanic, Wagnerian battles.
Although, as I said earlier, I enjoyed those movies, I’m hoping the new film takes a different direction and builds out the world instead of simply scaling up the conflict.
Few things in life suck worse than the last two Matrix movies. The Holocaust springs to mind. Maybe the Khmer Rouge. But that’s it. They should have stopped with the first one.
Dude, wtf. There’s hyperbole and then there’s insulting offensiveness. Guess where this landed.
I calls 'em like I sees 'em.
I’m in the “parts 2 and 3 weren’t as bad as people say they are” camp. I think there’s loads to enjoy in both, even if the climax kinda goes over my head. I’m super excited for this weird gazebo Lana Wachowski is adding onto the franchise. The cinematography alone looks astonishing, and I have faith that everyone involved respects the property enough to not make it an insult to fans of the original.
Well, that looks epic. Should be fun!
I didn’t love the second one, and I almost don’t remember the third one – can someone remind me how it all gets resolved? I thought there was some indication that the whole thing is basically a loop, Neo always ends up talking to the Architect, and then the system reboots and tries again.
Short version:
The Architect tells Neo that the whole thing is a cycle. Despite his best efforts the Architect can’t quite make a perfect program. There is always a “remainder” in the calculation (so to speak). Neo is that remainder.
Then the computer kills everyone in Zion and Neo has to pick 7 men and 14 women (or something like that) who will be used to re-populate Zion and start it all over again. I think this is the seventh time the cycle has occurred.
This time is different though and the cycle stops when Neo sacrifices himself. (not to mention what happens to Agent Smith)