Moron.
World Socialist Web Site? Are you fucking kidding me?
http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/A1682_0_2_0_C/
‘This is the Arab network primarily known as a mouthpiece for al Qaeda, but which has also been inciting violence against U.S. troops.’
And this
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=503
MEMRI TV | MEMRI (for video link)
Apologies, I’m just a lil’ perked up after my large scale war with FinnAgain. 
Hey, I’ll have you know that those blankets had WMD! Well, okay, they didn’t actually have WMD, but they were going to have them any day now! Okay, well, they weren’t going to have them any day now, but those blankets were sure thinking about it! That’s why we had to fire off rounds of lethal ammunition into them. That there were innocent Iraqi civilians asleep under the blankets is simply a part of war. The blankets had to go!
I just think it’s funny that people who’re not in Iraq buy into the propaganda.
“It’s about freedom, and the Iraqi people! We’re the good guys!”
Meanwhile, what do the Iraqis see?
Abu Graib.
Us settting up an Iraqi police force that uses the same tactics they did under Sadaam.
Innocent civilians blown to pieces on a regular basis.
Increasing chaos.
An american military that is either unwilling or unable to protect them.
Etc, etc, etc…
But they should trust our stated intentions more than the reality they find themselves in. Mmmm hmmm.
If anybody in this thread had their country invaded, and the invadeders, with promises of peace, began torturing their friends and relatives, raping little boys, using the same exact tactics of the “monster” they’d fought to remove… well, let’s just say belief and warmth would not be flowing heavily.
Right, you stupid fucking bitch, Al Jazeera is the mouthpiece for al Qaeda. Has anybody who believes this actually watched the network? Have you? I have, and I’ve also watched the documentary Control Room, which I’d recommend to dipshits who swallow the Bush administration’s ejaculate in re: al Jazeera (or anything pertaining to Middle East culture, for that matter).
Oh, US Central Command claims the station wasn’t a target? Well, shit, I guess they’d have no reason to lie. Thank God I don’t have to use my critical thinking skills when there are government and military spin doctors to tell me what to believe.
Oh, and you want to criticize the source because they’re socialist (even though I haven’t seen you offer any repudiation of the actual facts contained therein)? Fine, I take that one back, since it’s easier than arguing factual merit with someone who only believes in the “facts” supplied by ideologues that agree with him. But if we’re going to play that way, you can take back your first cite, dumb-ass - you think because an organization calls itself “Accuracy In Media” it doesn’t have an agenda? That site’s about as fair and balanced as Fox News, idiot. And show me where in that interview the guy said al Jazeera told him to go commit violence. He said he saw the images of the violence being carried out against the people, and it moved him to act; and while I can disagree with his logic, I can understand the emotional reaction.
You’re really coming off as a fucking moron here. Have you got anything other than opinions to back your shit up? Who gives a shit if you “believe” the end result of the war is going to be peace and prosperity? What does that have to do with reality?
woodstockbirdybird: May the force be with you. (you’re gonna need it)
Was it that ridiculous ‘Ideologue’ statement you kept on making?
About the innocent deaths, which are tragic. You can’t say the US is ignoring them
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200305/051403.html
Yes and I know its not much to bring back a loved on, but at least we’re doing something.
Give me a cite to where Coalition troops raped kids. I’d be pretty glad if someone came in rolling in tanks and removed some asshole dictator, and all the structures in place, which kept me oppressed thank you very much.
Yeah, looks like they are as well
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6874656/
Yes, I’m sure Iraqi police go around routinely raping civilians, imprisoning them without trial, etc.
The Iraqi police are heroes, plain and simple. Trying to restore order to a country which has insurgents routinely massacring them at checkpoints, overran stations is pretty daunting.
Again Finn, tell me are all those new recruits to the policeforce as brutal as Saddams forces? The Mukabarat in disguise? I don’t think so.
Thats what happens when militant Islamists oppose attempts of people establising democracy.
How is it increasing as you say?
Erm, unwilling? I don’t think so, unable at times? Thats true, the US military can’t be everywhere at once.
Yes, since we’ve somehow honoured the intentions of letting them vote, rule themselves, training their forces, dumbass.
This is hillarious, you seem to think that a war conducted against an insurgency will never result in innocents being killed by our forces? Even if we are completely thoughtful in directing our fire against people who fire at us, at some point there will be a death of an innocent caught in the crossfire.
Anyway, answer my question FinnAgain, if you’re unhappy about the way the US Coalition is conducting this war and bringing about democracy and representation for the Iraqi people, what do you suggest? 
Yeah, apparently so. Man, I usually don’t come off so militant, but the stupidity this guy’s spewing is driving me nuts.
Shut your ignorant mouth, other people are willing to debate with you, go debate with them. I have nothing but contempt for you.
Seyla.
Strength and courage.
You can’t deny Al Jazeera has bias towards to regimes which are less than desireable.
Like Al Jazeeras ‘non bias’ yeah dipshit, we’re in the same position.
Well having a non bias cite as possible is what you should try and show to portray it as neither anti or pro war dumbass. Some proclaiming ‘World Socialist Web Site’ isn’t very appealing to legitimacy.
I just backed it up you fucking idiot! I showed you clips of terrorists who were influenced by Al Jazeera and actually went out to fight against the Iraqi government and US!
Well, elections have taken place, I’m pretty sure thats a large mandate that Iraqis are willing to work towards the process of peace and liberty, and I’m with them all the way 
You can be defeatist all you want, I believe you’re wrong.
Good. You’re a loser Finn, and you have nothing but contempt for the Iraqi people willing to build a democracy with us, and the US helping them.
You still haven’t answered my question which is.
If you’re unhappy about the way the US Coalition is conducting this war and bringing about democracy and representation for the Iraqi people, what do you suggest?
They don’t really have any evidence that’d stand up in court of law, though that’s not to discount it entirely, as it may be true. Though I’d want more evidence than eyewitness accounts. In prosecutions, eyewitness accounts aren’t liked, because they’re notoriously inaccurate.
Its ok, Hippies being mellow is pretty much a facade.
Theres something for you to analyse FinnAgain, looks like those bluehelmets aren’t nothing but scumbags like the rest of us :rolleyes:
Lets see, a policeforce recently created out of former Baathists and raw recruits faces a large scale insurgency determined to destroy it, and their families. All within the space of three years, you expect people, who’ve been under oppression for more than 40 years, who only know the ways of torture and execution in ways of combating crime, to change overnight?
I think right now, Iraqis are doing this sort of thing out of frustration and anger at the insurgency.
Are there any laws against this type of behaviour in Iraq? Its no good telling me the Coalition sets the standard, because its ultimately down to the Iraqi government how prisoners are treated.
In the UK a lot of it was based on case Law and only then made illegal by act of Parliament I can’t see Iraq having any judicial system at the moment.
Answer my question Finn
If you’re unhappy about the way the US Coalition is conducting this war and bringing about democracy and representation for the Iraqi people, what do you suggest?
All right, let’s think about it like this: if your country was invaded and the news showed footage of its citizens being killed - footage the invading country’s news stations didn’t show, because it would hamper their efforts to maintain support for the war - would you be opposed to it? Would it be “inciting” violence, or showing a truth that was blacked out from other media outlets? And if some of your countrymen were so upset by the images that they took up arms against the invaders, is the news station to blame? Does the news have a responsibility to not report the truth because some yahoos might act out violently in response to seeing the horrors of war? Really, I want to know what you think. In any case, this is not the same as urging people to take up arms and commit acts of terrorism, which is what the (government-sanctioned) media did in Rwanda. And it’s a far cry from being a “mouthpiece” for terrorist organizations.
There are plenty of other ways to show your disdain for the war, Coffins of American soldiers, Children in hospitals who’ve had limbs blown off, civllians reporting on how Americans have done this and that etc. Al Jazeera shows a complete bias for the insurgents, for the dictatorships of the Middle East, it also shows complete disregard for the Coalitions side of the story, the Iraqi governments, from my own source it shows people who’ve been convinced it was right to commit Jihad in Iraq, to kill civilians, to make their lives less liveable.
Al Jazeera = Inciter of hate, uses shock value.
What, the picture of dead bodies? And how is that blacking out the truth? We know how bad war can get, we know how badly people can die, but its war. The BBC does some pretty good analysis on the brutality of the war, Al Jazeera is made up of former BBC correspondants and reporters for its World service, but doesn’t have to show hostages being executed, or people being decapitated does it?
Yes, we don’t usually show dead bodies out of respect, would you like it if someone documented your rotting corpse?
Whats so truthful about rotting bodies? We know what happens to people when they die, we don’t need it demonstrating, hell, Al Jazeera could of even blurred the heads out of respect, but it didn’t even do that. Its just cheap shock value, which in turn incites hatred.
Al Jazeera has a legal responsibility not to try and incite people to go kill others in Iraq because of what they’ve seen. I’m waiting for the day when a childs father sues Al Jazeera on the grounds they incited him to take up arms against Iraqis and got him killed.
I have to admit, I must have missed the reports that showed a “complete bias for the insurgents”. I have seen plenty of interviews with Coalition forces to try to portray their side of the story - again, see Control Room. And so what if your source shows “people who’ve been convinced it was right to commit jihad in Iraq” - people can be convinced all kinds of shit is justifiable; you can’t blame Jesus Christ for homophobes. As far as “iciting hate”, maybe you should check your own quote about al Jazeera being a mouthpiece for al Qaeda. And, of course, it’s so great that our news never uses shock value to beef up stories.
Yeah, I think most people realize “war=bad”, but it’s much easier to ignore others’ suffering, as you seem content to do, if we don’t have to see any actual graphic representation of it, isn’t it? Out of sight, out of mind.
Personally, I don’t give a shit what they do with my rotting corpse, because I’ll be dead. And, if nobody’s seeing the brutality actually being committed against me and my fellow citizens, I have no problem with them showing the rotting corpses of my friends and family, either, if it makes people think twice about a fucked-up war.
Rotting bodies are more truthful than a pretty light show, with bombs bursting in midair and nary a casualty to be seen. You say we already know? I say it’s an abstract knowledge that makes it much easier to justify our policy over there. I think most people are much more affected and likely to think about the issue when confronted with it with a harsher truth. And maybe what they show has shock value because it is, in fact, shocking. I confess I don’t understand this desire to whitewash and euphemize, nor do I get the whole “blurred head out of respect” thing. To me, it’s just one more method of dehumanizing the victims - we relate and react to faces more than torsos, and to me it shows more respect for them to show them as complete human beings - though, since this is my personal opinion, I won’t push it.
Again, do you have proof that they’re “trying to incite people to go kill others”? You’re attributing intent because of effect, and I say that’s how censorship makes progress. And your lawsuit scenario reminds me of the frivolous shit like “McDonald’s didn’t warn me their coffee was hot!”. Laughable.
Anyway, we obviously disagree, so let’s just let you think I’m a dipshit while I think the same of you. Because unlike you, I have other shit to do than sit here for 36 hours straight and debate you snetnece by agonizing sentence. Good luck with your elections.
Stop posting to me, asshole.
I’ve wasted enough time on you.
If you’re unhappy about the way the US Coalition is conducting this war and bringing about democracy and representation for the Iraqi people, what do you suggest?
I think its the erm, third time now I’ve asked this question and you’ve refused to answer it?
Al Jazeera isn’t like a few opinions you read into, you actually have insurgents on the channel explaining to them why they’re fighting their fellow Iraqis, blowing up houses people, places of worship.
I didn’t say it was a mouth piece for Al Queda, I said it was biased towards the insurgents, and against the occupation. If you weight the reports they’ve made in Iraq, how many show the insurgents and anti Iraqi forces in a positive light who have extra time and emphasis placed on them. How much of this time place and emphasis does the Coalition get? Or the Interim Government?
Really? So you’ve never seen this kid then have you? Caused an outrage in Britain, so much so we brought him over to the UK and gave him some false limbs.
BBC NEWS | UK | Child war victim inspires appeal
Yes, but the majority doesn’t think like that, and like to object to the fact you’ve been brutally murdered, maybe asking the people before they show the faces of the dead body would be something of a consideration.
Nice to know where your sentiments lie, would they think twice if it was world war two?
But I just said before, theres no need to show completely graphic pictures of rotting corpses, a picture of a childs limbs being blown off is just as effective of how ‘fucked up war can be’
Shock value eventually desensitizes human beings, what happens when people don’t really care anymore? I’m sure there used to be a time where a bloated belly of a starving child shocked people, but who can say they are really ‘shocked’ about it now?
A blurred head would at least refrain from people seeing their deceased friends face. What happens when we’re desensitized to the violence? What sympathy would we have then, we’d be back to square one.
Even if they don’t do it intentionally, its a moral obligation for them to at least tone down what would be considered incitement, for legal reasons alone this would probably be a good idea.
Yeah it is laughable to you, but consider the fathers son who goes out to ‘fight the zionists and Americans’ because of what he viewed on Al Jazeera, wouldn’t be laughing then would you?
I don’t think you’re a dipshit, you can think whatever you want of me, thats your choice.
They’re not mine, they’re the Iraqis But Jazakallah anyway
Nice, we’re reduced to saying moronic things like this?
“Fuck, the police just shot 50 people at gunpoint, they’re a bunch of assholes”
“So what, Saddam used to shoot a hundred people at gunpoint”
We couldn’t control SH, we can or are supposed to be insuring this shit doesn’t happen. At least from a PR standpoint, but I would hope from a humanitarian one first.
Doesn’t that make sense?
Then don’t fill a fucking police force up with old torturing assholes. Pick some new people.
Yes I do expect it to change overnight, and so do a lot of other people. What we’re allowed to torture for the first 90 days, and then we slowly give it up “after getting it out of our system”?
That’s the dumbest fucking thing I’ve heard yet.