Are you kidding me?
Karzai controls about 2 square blocks of Kabul. They may have elected him, but he certainly doesn’t run the place.
FinnAgain, if you think I’ve taken over Ryan_Liam just so you can play pepper with CMAR II, you’re sadly mistaken. Well, maybe not. We’ll see how long my patience lasts.
Hmmm…amazing how the territory that Karzai controls is continuously shrinking.
I answered this here.
I can’t imagine why you would come to that conclusion unless you are saying that New York and Los Angeles are ruled by terror regimes. Meanwhile the Iraqi police in much of Iraq face their own murder and that of their families just for coming to work. I don’t care what you say they’ve done. These guys are heroes whose asses arm-chair moralists do not deserve to kiss.
I have read the polls but you’ve yet to show that anyone is actually TRYING to install a “Western-style democracy”. The only thing being “forced down their throats” (YOUR WORDS) is elections to select Iraqi leaders to form an Iraqi constitution. So defend that, take it back, or mutter back into your corner.
Most of the country is at peace. Parts of 4 districts have an organized criminal element that is actively attacking the police, the national guard, such insidious quislings as Water Works employees, the infrastruction and resources of the nation, and the Shi’a and Christians in a so far utterly failed attempt to start a civil war. You’ve been watching too much “If it bleeds, it leads” newscasts.
There was no Saddam-Osama treaty. But Zarqawi WAS that link. You’d have to have your hands clamped tightly over you eyes to think differently.
Darn! If only you’d been there to tell them, they wouldn’t have made such a dumb mistake!
What a fool you are! "Well, um, yes, they don’t control, 70% of the country, but, um, some of that 70% is all like, out of the way…
A country that’s 70% out of control is 70% out of control.
That one earns a big ‘duh’ spunky, you bucking for the crown of ideologue too?
Ignorant schmuck!
Read this very thread before you open your uninformed mouth. I’ve already proven that the Iraqi police have simply kept open the torture rooms and now do all the same stuff they did under Sadaam. Be willfully ignorant of this if you want, just don’t expect us to clap for your stupidity.
No, idiot, you’re ignorant of what they’ve done. You probably also don’t care, but that’s neither here nor there.
Schmuck.
You think the innocent people they torture agree with you?
Someone’s an arm-chair general. Guess whether it’s you or me.
Moron, read the fucking thread before you open your mouth
51% of Iraqis polled said that democracy itself wouldn’t work. That they didn’t want it. That it was a western way of doing things. If you’re stupid enough to doubt that the Bush regime has a stated goal of instilling democracy…
Ignorant little asshole, you come to this thread and don’t even have the class to freakin’ read it. What a tool. And as for what’s being forced down their throats, just about everything from not allowing ‘extreme’ candidates to gain power to our troops staying in their steets even though they want us gone.
Except their capitol city Hell, you can’t even get to the airport alive. Does this sink in at any point to your brain? The country is so damn at peace that you’ll get made real dead if you try to get on a plane and leave.
Moreoever, This control is rather ephemeral
And, your ‘facts’ are totally innacurateIn his remarks Thursday, Allawi did not specify the three provinces he deemed insecure, nor did he specify what he meant when he contended that violence in those provinces had been limited to “certain pockets.” But since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, Baghdad and three of the country’s largest and most populous provinces – Anbar in the west, Salahuddin to the north and Babil to the south – have been the principal hotbeds of insurgent violence. And according to the Kroll reports, recent violence appears to have been widespread rather than limited. On Wednesday, for instance, attacks in Salahuddin province occurred in Taji, Balad, Tikrit, Samarra, Baiji, Thuliyah and Dujayl – the seven largest population centers in the area.
Nice try spunky.
If the reality is that Iraq is a mess, guess what we’ll see on the news? Or do you want us to ignore the rampant nation-wide violence because… you say so? Mmm hmmm, good plan.
Oh ,I see, if you put it in caps, your lies become truth. That’s a neat trick man!
In case you’re wondering, there was no ‘link’ at all because Sadaam and Bin Laden hated each other. If you read a transcript of it, you’ll find that bin Laden repeatedly condemns Saddam and his Baath Party as “socialists” and “infidels.”
There was no link, just because you’re stupid enough to insist on it doesn’t make it true.
Riiiiiight.
Becuse like, the facts support the position that there was no link, and the facts get in the way of your lies, so anybody who believes the facts rather than your lies is… um… wrong?
It wouldn’t be so bad if a high-ranking government official – like, say, the President of the United States – would sternly denounce such incidents and have a high-profile investigation into finding out who screwed up, busting the appropriate asses, and making reparations to the surviving family members. He could even say something noble about how the United States has zero tolerance for innocents killed in America’s name, or somesuch.
Of course, that’d require a kind of leadership that takes responsibility for its actions, that doesn’t shy away from admitting its mistakes, and that has the courage to right its own wrongs – i.e., the diametric opposite of George W. Bush and the Legion of Shifty-Eyed Weasels™.
And I find it outright :eek: that Ryan_Liam apparently doesn’t have any qualms with the idea that a half-dozen kids have been traumatized by having their parents blown away and being splattered with their blood and guts…
Democracy is messy.
Especially when it enters your body at high velocity and dumps its kinetic energy into you, causing hydrostatic shock and blowing you to pieces. Damn democracy.
This link was posted in another thread, notice the people, evidently murdered in their sleep with blankets over them
Warning! Very graphic pictures of dead Iraqis
Democracy: high caliber democracy.
CMAR II
Eh? That’s a very dubious position isn’t it? For instance, how is blowing up cars on a street any different in effect from dropping a bomb from a plane onto the same street? If one is automatically a terrorist activity, why not the other? As for blowing up powerlines and infrastructure, as we have already established, that was a tactic employed by US forces before/during the invasion as well, are you calling them terrorists? Likewise killing policemen. Killing a policeman does not make someone a terrorist on its own, again do you think that none of Saddam’s policemen were killed by US forces during the invasion?
Can you shoot the Iraqi police forces who’re arresting and torturing innocent people?
Wasn’t that one of our rationalizations for regime change, that Sadaam tortured innocent people?
You asshole, so because he has military connections he’s not allowed to share out his informed view or opinions? Or because they happen to be pro US they’re somehow disregarded? Hell, I’ve heared more than enough military personnel have their opinion it was wrong, why’s it so bad to hear someone who says it was right?
And for the record no, I don’t have military connections.
Your paitence? what makes you the moral superior? Or FinnAgain, on this board?
Would you shoot the Iraqi police who are trying to help you live a normal life without threat of being blown to pieces because you happen to have a differing opinion?
Number one = We don’t target civilians
Number two = We’re not intentionally doing it to strike fear into the population.
We were at war with an nation state, which follows some rules of war, some codes of conduct, these terrorists don’t, and show a blatant disregard for anyone and anything. Equating the US Army with terrorist forces is one of the most blatant disrespectful things I’ve seen on this board.
Are we supposed to be emotionally blackmailed into supporting your thesis by using pictures of dead bodies to justify your claims the US is an imperialistic facist aggressor hell bent on subjigating Iraq, because it isn’t working.
Al Sunnah blows up election centre
Ministry of interior member executed
Al Sunnah execute national guardsmen
Some heroes :rolleyes:
No one has denied the US has been heavy handed in its treatment of civilians, but when I see the extreme brutality of the ‘resistance’ and their allies, I know what we’re fighting for is right.
'Coz we all know Democracy comes from a sword to the back of the head right? Yeah, damn democracy indeed asshole.
Erm we do?
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200305/051403.html
I do have sympathy for them, and its completely wrong for what happened to of ever taken place, but lets be realistic, Iraq is in a war time situation, against a vicious and very terrible enemy. People will be killed, its a known fact. I agree we should limit the amount of idiocy some troops do.
I think its traumatizing for any nation to experience a foe who wants to enslave them to either the ideology is militant Islamism, or Baa’thist tyranny.
What would you propose we do? Send in the tanks along side another 100,000 soldiers like the soviets did and systematically destroy the country to bring them into line? No ones denying that its going to take time to bring in some unity and authority to the government of Afghanistan, but the plain fact that 70% of the population which were of voting age, actually voted and selected a president they wanted, speaks volumes for the support he actually gets, and the Warlords know this.
Percentages please.
So those new recruits who just started to work for the police somehow tortured civilians before they joined? You’re starting to clutch at straws, trying to say anything to prove to us that they’re nothing but Nazis in blue uniforms, you asshole.
Yeah it could be both of us, but at least we weigh the pros and cons fairly.
That leaves 49% who do think its something to attain, and I bet a large portion of those 51% are doubtful only because of the security situation, Zarqawi and the other terrorists plotting to destroy them, and given the fact this is the first free election since 1958, it kinda skews that 51% you’re talking about.
The supreme council for Islamic revolution, the Islamic party, the Dawa Party, the fucking Communist party, are not extreme? even though some of the back list of candidates in Sistanis blessed list have funding from Iran, even Sadr has fielded candidates under the auspices of different names, is this extreme enough for you?The backed list by Sistani is expected to win, moron.
You know what FinnAgain, since you’re such the expert, lets hear the ideas other than democracy and free speech you have in mind in replacing US ‘domination and imperialism’ at the table.
Selecting a government to rule the country in a representative manner is a ‘western way of doing things?’
OH yeah?
Put this in your pipe and smoke it motherfucker. Bolding mine.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/
Simply put, if they killed him, they couldn’t say AQ was operating in Iraq, so they let him live.
Your Govt. at work.
Tosh. But many of the bombings in Iraq don’t appear to target civilians. Lots of them kill civilians, of course, but so do lots of American bombs.
Oh right. So, your position is that it was the infrastructure of Iraq that Bush wanted to ‘Shock and Awe’. Not the people…
That was my point. CMAR II gave a list of certain actions that automatically equal ‘terrorist’ in his/her mind, I was pointing out the obvious drawback of that. Why quote me if you’re agreeing with me?
Exactly. And the regime too 
Because it looked like you were equating the US army with a bunch of terrorists.
CMAR II was (I suspect inadvertantly) constructing a definition of ‘terrorist’ that would have included members of the US Army. I was pointing it out. See the typing you could save yourself if you actually read things properly before you replied to them.
Yeah because killing civilians in their beds while they’re asleep isn’t killing innocents. There’s a newspeak word for it somewhere, but we’ve not yet been informed.
Probably was tossed down a memory hole at the Pentagon.