A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 1)

I think @cervaise is correct in that in order to understand the actions of Trump and his administration, you need to recognize that they are a crime family and use tactics of crime families.

That said, I don’t agree with her assessment of the Gaetz situation. The corrupt DOJ she describes was Trump’s ideation of what he wanted the DOJ to be.

But the DOJ is an incredibly big and strong institution staffed with thousands of attorneys and civil service employees, and Trump wasn’t able to fully corrupt it in four short years. As corrupt as Barr was, he did have limits - he refused to manufacture evidence of election fraud

Trump would’ve fully corrupted the DOJ if he’d won re-election - he was working on gutting the protections for non-political civil service employees and imposing loyalty tests for employment when he lost his bid for a second term (60 times!) But he wasn’t there yet.

Details are sketchy, but I’m going to make some guesses based on what I’ve heard.

Gaetz’s current problems started with an investigation of a corrupt local Florida politician named Joel Greenburg. That investigation started, somewhat ironically, because the guy had pulled some Roger Stone level dirty tricks to smear his political opponent (I believe I saw somewhere that Stone was directly involved, which adds a new dimension to the story) But he crossed a legal line and became the subject of an investigation.

That investigation turned up lots of other illegal activity. I haven’t found details but (among other things) there’s something involving underaged girls and fake drivers licenses and sugar daddies. I’m guessing maybe Greenburg was making fake drivers licenses for the teenage girls. He also may have been blackmailing or coercing them in some way.

I think Gaetz’s name came up in connection with this “sugar daddy” operation, probably as a customer - meaning he was hooked up with some very young girl(s) who agreed to date him in exchange for luxury travel and gifts. (It’s a thing, and there are online services that facilitate these relationships). He may not have known the girl was underaged - apparently the girls had fake ID’s.

Greenburg may have “targeted” Gaetz for “kompromat” by setting him up with an under-aged girl. If Greenburg was working with Stone, the Trump family may very well have been involved.

But I don’t think the DOJ was in on it. I think they legitimately found evidence of Gaetz’s relationship with an underaged girl, even if the relationship itself was engineered by political operatives. And I think the extortion plot he is whining about is what law enforcement calls “doing their jobs.”

I have no doubt that if they have evidence that Gaetz was involved with an underaged teen, they will pressure her to to admit it. That’s what investigators do. They may lie to her and tell her they have evidence they don’t. They may try to trick her into admitting guilt. There is nothing wrong with them doing this.

And it’s a complex investigation with lots of players. The DOJ may be seeking the cooperation of Gaetz and his family in the prosecution of Greenburg while simultaneously building a case against Gaetz - so the fact that Gaetz and his family are cooperating doesn’t make him innocent.

Time will tell, but this is what I anticipate being revealed.

Hmm…I seem to remember Graham being publicly supportive of trump before McCain’s death, but walking more of a fine line than he did after McCain died. I did a quick googling and found this video of Graham’s flip-flopping over the years. It unfortunately jumps back and forth in time, but at the 41 second mark Graham says:

Feb 17, 2016:
“I think he’s a kook. I think he’s crazy”.

Then at the 43 second mark:

Nov. 30, 2017:
“You know what concerns me about the American press is this endless, endless attempt to label the guy as some kind of kook”

Yeah, not full-blown fan-boying yet, but he’s definitely publicly defending trump (hilariously using his own term to contradict himself) 9 monthe before McCain’s death.

Not to say I disagree with you; it may have been a more gradual process than I remember, but he at least took a few sips of trumpTM brand kool-aid before McCain’s death.

Oh, and April 29, 2018, at about 1:15 in that video above:

“What president trump has done is historic…deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, and then some”

That’s getting pretty fanboyish, still 4 months before McCain’s death.

More bad news for Sponge Blob Golf Pants:

A federal judge ruled Tuesday that a broad non-disclosure agreement that Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign required employees to sign is unenforceable…

I think Trump used extortion and blackmail - or the threat of extortion and blackmail - more frequently early in his Presidency, before he had fully consolidated power.

We KNOW he did this explicitly, at least once, to Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzenenski. He was unhappy with the shift in their coverage of him post-election, so he asked the National Enquirer to investigate them. Then he had one of his cronies call Joe (probably Jared, although I don’t think Scarborough ever released the name publicly) and offered to call off the investigation and kill the story if they changed the tone of their coverage.

Joe Scarborough refused. The story ran ( it was really nothing, as Joe and Mika were public about their personal relationship at the time). But the real issue for the couple was the fact that the Enquirer, at Trump’s behest, was using their legal protections as journalists to harass their families.

I’ve often wondered whether the National Enquirer had material on Graham, but I think it’s more likely that Trump, early on, simply threatened to have the Enquirer investigate him. Now at this point I think Graham’s loyalty is ensured because not only will he be voted out if he dumps Trump, he’ll be publicly harassed and threatened.

And don’t forget,before he won the nomination Trump planted the Enquirer story about Ted Cruz having affairs with five women, which showed every single politician in Washington what he was willing to do to his opponents.

Trump and Jared’s fingerprints were also all over the National Enquirer / Jeff Bezos extortion attempt - which involved a foreign leader going after the owner of a media outlet for investigating a murder he authorized.

And of course, he tried to extort Zelensky.

So Trump definitely traffics in blackmail and extortion. It’s not some huge stretch to think he did it to Graham, and if you pretend it’s an outrageous idea you’re ignoring who Trump is.

But, that said, I don’t think he uses those tactics much against elected officials, because he can accomplish the same thing by threatening to have his right wing mob “cancel” them and destroy their careers.

Good points-- trump didn’t really need blackmail and extortion after a certain point. And RE: Gaetz, he was such a full-bore trump acolyte already, there would’ve really been no point to collect extortion material on him. In saying @Cervaise may have been correct in her assessment of Gaetz, I was thinking more in the sense that, not that they were looking for material to extort him, but if real extortable info on him fell into their laps, I could see the trump DOJ quietly filing it away for a rainy day rather than automatically making it public.

Even for true-believer loyalists, a well-stocked kompromat file is useful for keeping them from getting too big for their britches.

Is that what the kids are calling it today?

“Let’s go back to my place and I’ll show you my untoward generosity.”

Porn star, or My Little Pony?

Sister of Palmer Luckey, founder of Oculus VR, which he sold to Facebook. He’s worth $750M, hosted a Trump fundraiser at his house out on Newport Beach last fall, and is currently working on defense-related tech.

I checked because the surname jumped out at me.

Rule 35 says it’s both.

Looks like the DA is trying to squeeze Weisselberg into cooperating:

ISTM that if Trump gave his accountant or other employees large gifts on a regular basis, and those gifts were not reported as compensation - that’s tax fraud.

If your boss pays you for a job worth 60K a year by giving you 40K a year + “hey, the company will pay the private school tuition for your 4 kids”… that’s tax fraud. It’s the same kind of fraud Trump was accused of when it was discovered that he gave Ivanka consulting contracts while she was an employee. Both schemes are simply ways to pay employees partially off the books to reduce your tax liability.

When I owned my one person corporation, I was allowed to use items I purchased through the business - cars, computers and the like- personally. But it wasn’t free. My accountant placed a value on my personal use of company property. It counted as income and I had to pay taxes on it.

They are very serious about this stuff. I hope they nail Trump if he didn’t play be the rules I had to play by.

That sort of thing is exactly what they are looking for. From the NYT article:

The prosecutors have also questioned Mr. Weisselberg’s former daughter-in-law, Jennifer Weisselberg, she has said. Ms. Weisselberg has been enmeshed in a bitter divorce with Mr. Weisselberg’s son, Barry, who manages the Trump Wollman Rink in Central Park.

Ms. Weisselberg said in an interview that prosecutors have asked her about a number of gifts that Mr. Trump and his company gave the Weisselberg family over the years. These include an apartment on Central Park South for Ms. Weisselberg and her former husband, cars leased for several family members and private school tuition.

… and there is our Schadenfreude. :smiley:

I suspect you’re right that there are other ongoing investigations of Republicans at DOJ, all begun during the Trump interregnum-- even if they were NOT part of an explicit policy of either Sessions or Barr (trying to please mob-boss Donald).

And as they come to light, Republicans will try to sell the idea that Biden is as vindictive as Trump–though how could that be humanly possible? The poor Repubs will be left trying to explain how Biden could have traveled in time back to the pre-November 2016 period and initiated those investigations, somehow eluding the notice of either of Trump’s Attorneys General as he carried out his mission.

That should be fun.

You’re forgetting that reality isn’t in play. Facts are what the GQP says they are. I don’t believe the average [or even above average] MAGAhat cares about or questions timelines. For them, Obama got us into the Iraq war, created ISIS, and the Great recession happened while he was president. Also, white is black, up is down, Putin is a great friend but the democrats are communists.

All, sadly, accurate (about their false beliefs, I mean).

It’s always about those on the margins: the people caught up in Q lies but…restless; uneasy. Truth sometimes hits them and they have to return to reality. (They are few and far between, of course.)

Trump to this day takes credit for the Veterans’ Choice Act.

You know, the one signed into law in 2014 over 2 years before he took office.

And none of his supporters care about it or contradict him.

Inconvenient things like easily verified facts and dates don’t mean a damn to any of them.

Seems like the place to put this: Palin confirms COVID-19 diagnosis, urges steps like masks | AP News

I thought this was interesting…

Ya think?