I absolutely, completely have no dog in this fight, but I have to disagree with the above. This guideline (no insulting [possibly former] posters who can’t defend themselves) is very good policy, IMO, but in this case PRR is not being blocked by Moderator/Administrator action, nor by lapse of his/her Membership. (S)he has merely chosen to stop posting, despite being a Member in good standing.
That posting at his point would put PRR out $500 should not be the concern of the Board’s administration – for all intents and purposes (s)he is quite as able to post as I am.
I’m surprised and dismayed that this has happened, and has been permitted to happen - to me, it seems a more serious state of affairs than some of the other things that happen here and get resolutely smacked down every time. I realise that you can’t completely control the personal interaction of two adults, but that alone doesn’t make this a tolerable incident, IMO.
You make an excellent argument and logically you are 100% correct. However the reality is that he is gone. I suspose he should Email the Admins and request he be banned or suspended or at least listed as on Sabbatical, just in case he does change his mind.
Again, your logic is perfect, but the circumstances are very odd to say the least.
I will Email him these 3 posts. Perhaps he will act on my suggestion.
Jim
Be that as it may, your question about whether Der Trihs should be paid to leave completely ignored what I said about him. You might have read my explanations (why the quote marks?), but you’re acting like you didn’t.
Big bold text? And you’re asking me to calm down?
Are you saying that your protest ought to have been the sole deciding factor in my mind? Do you really believe that you’re that important or that your moral ground is that high?
I know you dislike it. You’ve said so. I dislike what you’re doing. You’re preaching to a choir about your personal feelings as though they somehow trump mine. Your position, apparently, is that how you view this should be the default view for everyone including me.
But like I told you before (as if telling you again will matter), respect does not demand that you condone, but it does demand that you understand. You have yet to say you understand why I did what I did,. There was therefore never any respect. At least admit you misstated that.
I’m sure you are, because then you would have had to rationalize your rather bizarre and random hissy fit over something that freely consenting adult people decided among themselves to do.
On the contrary, I removed the ignorance of anyone who did not know about the sincerity of one anti-God crusade.
Why? I’m not the one upset. You keep hounding me about losing it or something, and I’m one of the few posting in here who’s keeping a level head and not acting like a wild animal. Your determination in this has blinded you.
After making the inquiry of him, I never doubted that he would. That’s why I proceeded.
Yes, indeed. Of course, you never know what could happen.
Suppose, for example, that he returned and said something to this effect: “Guys, I was wrong. I was wrong to push buttons and make claims about Christians that I could not back up with sound reasoning. They were not the unreasonable ones; I was.”
Because see, if that happened, he would no longer owe me a thing. I would embrace him as an intellectual brother, welcome him back, and ask Tris to send him his $500 right away today. My understanding is he could use it. Reconciliation, understanding, and forgiveness — these are beautiful things. Try them sometime.
I’d just like to chime in here with an instruction for all monies having to do with the Fucking Morons Club, whether membership fees or payments for T-shirts, badges, posters, emblems or related indicia, to be forwarded directly to me as treasurer. All such payments will be duly recorded and all Fucking Morons will be sent a signed receipt that will be as good as my word.
Sincerely,
Malacandra,
I. M. Bezel & Scarper, Accountants
Jim – this whole thing has nothing to do with you, actually. We know what you think. prr knows what you think. He’s made his decision. It is not the decision you want him to have made. We get that.
Let it go.
Big bold text was to ensure my main point stood out. Just because you interpret the bolding as shouting , does not make it so.
The **Der Trihs ** example was a question to if6was9, not you. Believe it or not, even in your pittings, it is not all about you. You will note that I understand if6was9’s position and he understands mine. So I guess the analogy worked in this case.
Liberal the act of paying a poster to leave is what loss my respect for you. You solved an argument via payment. I do not accept your reasons as excusing your actions. I do not respect your method. You see yourself as having both cause and motive to prove a point. It would appear you proved your point. Congrats. I still have no respect for your paying a poster to leave.
If you consider my arguments to be a hissy fit, I wonder what you consider your own actions over the years?
Jim
Ooh! Ooh! I know what you can do. You can report him to the moderators! Oh, wait. You’re already done that about seven fucking times. How’d that work out for you?
Give it a rest, you pissy little bitch. Boo fucking hoo. Someone violated the integrity of your precious message board. Your beef is as much with **prr **as it is with Liberal. It takes two to tango, dude. All he had to do was laugh it off and none of this would have happened.
Actually, you missed the point of this pitting and specifically why I included the mods originally. I think this issue if unaddressed reduces the integrity of the Dope. A few others in this thread have understood my convoluted point. The Email I sent **PRR ** concerned possibly making life easier for the Admins as Noone Special raised a valid argument. The rest of the email was friendly stuff between him and me.
The mods and admins appear to have addressed my concerns.
Jim
Well, that’s false on its face. I submit that you are the one who maybe should take a break, if from nothing else than the leadership role you have assumed over this whole matter.
You know, between this shit and the stupid threats of violence in the Der Trish thread, it really looks like 2007 is off to a swinging start for the Dope. Fighting ignorance with payoffs and intimidation. Good work!
I disagree. He removed himself from the boards and can defend himself anytime he wants. All he has to do is forfeit $500.
Seriously, I don’t see the problem here. Lib is known as a libertarian, and his philosophy is based along enlightened self interest. He decided he would like it if PRR was gone, and attempted to make it attractive for PRR to go away. PRR accepted of his own free will, and left.
PRR has 500 smackers, Lib is 2 years free of PRR. Hope that was worth 500 bucks to him.
I understand your point – I’m saying your point has been made. As of now – well, actually as of yesterday, if not the day before – it’s not your job to make sure that any particular person does any particular thing to defend what you understand to be the integrity of the Dope. If prr chooses to concern himself with what goes on here after he has stopped posting, he can read the Boards himself – he doesn’t need you to bring anything to his attention.
He’s a big boy. So is lib. Let them do what they’re going to do. It really isn’t any of your business, esp. since:
That’s all well and fine in abstract principle, but as far as I know, the SDMB isn’t an open marketplace designed to facilitate that sort of contract. Or at least, I never expected it to be.
That’s right. He can either stay away and take all the potshots, or return to defend himself and instantly be called a hypocrite. Looks like a no-win for him either way, and a no-lose for you.
:rolleyes:
I agree with Noone Special’s response to Dex. If the administration didn’t see fit to intervene in this business (which IMHO they were right to do, even though it is an unhappy turn of events) they should stay out now. prr is a member. If he wants to give up his libbybucks, that’s his business. If people want to call him a scumsucker for having acted the way he did , surely that’s fine, and any financial penalty he might incur is nothing to do with the Boards.
If someone trolls for a response from him, that’s another matter.
FWIW, I think I’m responsible for the “don’t post ill of those who can’t respond” protocol. I regret it.
Or he could do what I outlined above. That’s win-win for him, for me, and for everyone. Even for What Exit.
What leadership role? Do you think there is a conspiracy against you? I have a complaint against you and I had one against the mods. I started a pit thread, something I do very rarely. This will end with me here in the thread. What others do or say is up to them.
As far as taking a break, I have stayed very calm throughout this. I have explained what I thought was wrong in a dozen ways and you still do not understand my point anymore than I accept yours.
I will say it one last time; I have no intentions to bother you in the future. I hold no specific ill will towards you. I just feel very strongly what you did was wrong. I hope no one ever repeats it.
twickster: You are right, they made their deal. They are adults. Are you specifically asking me not to bother replying to Lib in a thread I started? Or are you asking me not to try an stop the deal?
I do not think I should walk away from this pit thread until it dies down. I am not trying to stop the deal. I am not even trying to get Lib in trouble. I am making a very strong personnel complaint against him. I think I have managed to stay polite during the entire fiasco of both threads. I guess I will drop it if Liberal wants to drop it. I am mainly responding to him at this point.
Jim
I’m a believer myself, and I think this is just stupid. Bigotry is prejudging someone because of what they are. You’re talking about what you believe. That is not a protected class, nor should it be. Quite frankly, if you’re willing to get into an argument with an atheist over whether God exists, then you are just as that atheist says you are.