But if they then make or join an effort to have the decision or its effects reversed or circumvented with the result that the marriages are de-legalized or marginalized, I will say they are NOT acting out of good will. Seeking legalistic purity at the expense of real human suffering is no virtue.
I’m not disagreeing with **iiandyiiii **, so much as I’m agreeing with **Bricker ** that far too many people are painted with the racist, misogynist, sexist, etc… brush merely because of a difference of opinion, not because they’re actually those things.
All we hear is about how all Trump supporters are poor, opiate-addled Appalachian hillbillies, or various sorts of ignorant, rural racists who pine for the 1950s, etc… None of the people I know who have come out as Trump voters fall into those categories- most of them are white, suburban, upper-middle class people who put a LOT of stock in tradition values and personal integrity and aren’t too concerned about political correctness. That doesn’t make them racist, sexist, etc… they just disagree with people who prioritize other things.
I’ll say this - I voted against Trump twice- in the Republican primary and in the general election. But I don’t particularly like the overwhelmingly negative portrayal of Trump voters either; it’s inaccurate and fairly condescending, as if nobody with a brain could have actually voted for him.
The first is something he never said. The second is him being a petty oversensitive person. The third is him being a jerk. None are examples of bigotry or misogyny.
Uh, again speaking for myself I also pointed before that most Republican voters are not racists, they are however very tolerant of them so as to get their votes in the close elections. It may be smart, but it is giving us people like Trump who cuddles with more of them in the open or that gets propaganda from racist sources that he used.
Unless I see any evidence against it we have to assume Trump will continue to rely on very unsavory sources, that are also ignorant and conspiracy minded.
I agree with your plea, but you have to know that actual voter fraud is de minimus and minority voter suppression is a very real and significant thing.
Thus, it seems to me that calls for Voter ID are just calls for minority voter suppression.
To the contrary – your plea is quite valid, and I will take it to heart. If I see something, I will say something.
If it makes you feel any better, this conservative might never vote Republican again. Most Republican voters are not such bad people, but they’re supporting an organization that has shown that ideology trumps truth and victory trumps morality. As a party, they are willing to tolerate and even support evil if it lets them win.
Well, that didn’t last long.
In my view, Voter ID laws (done right, with Indiana as a prime example – plenty of time to acquire ID, ID offered at no cost, affidavit options that are available in the event original documents cannot be found) are prudent and sensible exercises of verification for voting. This view does not arise because I wish to suppress minority votes.
See what I mean, folks?
I accept that you dont.
But currently, on your house, how set for you for defenses vs mountain lion attacks? Got a lightning rod? Meteor defense shield?
See, altho i see the point of “prudent and sensible” defenses, one must take into account the rarity of the attack. Due to the number of voters in the USA and the number of verified fraudulent voters, you would be more “prudent and sensible” if you wore cougar proof suits.
Wasting time, effort and taxpayer dollars on a non-issues is not " prudent" nor “sensible”.
I’m pretty sure Bricker has said that he philosophically believes that it shouldn’t be easy to vote. For anyone. He thinks (IIRC) that democracy works better when only highly motivated (and presumably therefore highly informed) people vote.
I disagree, but I think his position is devoid of bigotry.
But if I may, I respectfully request that this hijack cease or go elsewhere.
Not really, no.
Do you agree that the difference in opinion as to whether voter ID is a good idea, or not, is based on a different understanding of what is “prudent and sensible” and not racism?
Regards,
Shodan
With Bricker? Yes.
With Karl Rove?- 100% election manipulation.
with 2/3rds of the GOP? - racism.
Me neither. I mean, that’s a conservative republican talking, not a liberal democrat. What the hell?
ETA: honoring iiandyiii’s request (to end the hijack). I’ll also do my best to honor his other request, to discourage racism when / where I encounter it.
You dont think 2/3rd of the GOP is racist? or close to it?
“You hear that, Jethro? This here city fella says to watch out, 'cause there might be BIGOTS and ZEENERPHOBES around! You seen anything like that?”
“I sure ain’t, Joe Bob! I tell you what, though, I’ll sure keep my eyes peeled and let you know if I come across any! Heh heh!”
“Heh! Heheh! Heh!”
“Hee hee hee HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!”
Thank you! You get a hug.
Did you read HurricaneDitka’s cite? If supporting voter ID makes you a racist, then two thirds of the Democrats are racist.
Regards,
Shodan