A (possible) 6th Trek series....

A couple of years ago, some company presented Paramount with a proposal to re-do all the SFX in the original series. They even went so far as to produce a small segment: the planet killer from the ep, “The Doomsday Mahine”.

It looked okay, but Paramount didn’t bite.

I agree on the Starfleet Academy idea. They’d been kicking that one around for a while, but obviously haven’t committed to it…yet.

Hi, tarragon. :slight_smile:

Starfleet Creek: 90210… bleh.

Part of the charm of watching TOS is the 1960’s tv special effects, which look pretty cheap now. (Though they really made a good ship model for bluescreen work.)

No, no, no… It has to be:

Star Trek: The Borg vs. Batman

No, no, no! No more Star Trek. Not for at least ten years.

I watched TOS in reruns as a kid of the 70s religiously. I’ve seen every one. I watched TNG religiously. I think I’ve seen every one. I saw most of DS9 up to about the 4th season, then through time and opportunity problems, missed most of the rest. I think I saw about 5 Voyager eps. I’ve never seen a single Enterprise. Mostly because I’ve never had enough desire to actually bother.

Do we see a pattern?

Similarly, I saw every TOS movie. I saw all of the TNG movies up to Insurrection (which I didn’t even know was made for months afterward). Never saw First Contact. Never saw Nemesis. I’m probably missing one, even. Never saw it.

Do we see a pattern?

The franchise has been ground into dust. It’s over. The core audience shrinks with every incarnation and the crew involved in producing the show becomes less and less “Trekky” every season (translated: cares very, very little about the spirit and purpose of the Trekiverse). With “Enterprise”, the franchise has become near-generic sci-fi.

Let it rest for a while. Build anticipation. Take time to do the next one right. If Paramount jumps on a new series immediately after Enterprise ends, it’ll be equivalent to killing the goose that laid its golden eggs. And that bird ain’t looking too healthy now.

Since I didn’t answer the OP, let me add my $0.02 and say that

A REMAKE OF THE ORIGINAL SERIES IS A TERRIBLE IDEA THAT IS DOOMED TO BE A COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE!

Most of the hard-core trekkies would find this series to be nothing short of blasphemy.

It’s not mere blasphemy…

It’s APOSTACY!
I’m sorry, Viva. You’ll have to turn in your ears for daring even to start this thread.

:dubious:

If I turned in my ears, you (NCB) would munch on them!

The Next Trek, coming in 2010: Degenerations, featuring really, really old cast members.

Golden Guls

A bunch of horny old Cardassians in Miami

Any new Star Trek series is doomed to failure, as long as it’s creative forces are the same people responsible for the last ones.

These guys are out of ideas, resort to cliches and techno-babble routinely, can’t write dialog any more, and in general just don’t know how to do science fiction.

Compare any episode of Enterprise with any episode of Firefly, for example. The difference in quality is startling. And the difference boils down to one thing: Joss Whedon loves the genre and cares about the material, and the Trek writers are just franchise hacks going through the motions.

Star Trek will become revitalized when Berman and Co. give up on it and go on to other things, and someone else comes along in a decade or two and decides to resurrect it.

And at that point, the original series will be far enough in our past that a remake is possible.

My God…I agree with Sam Stone on something!

checks for porcine aviators

Maybe we can get the Firefly guys to take up our new series after they’re done with that show. Of course, we’ll have to arrange for Berman and Braga to get assimilated, or fall into a temporal void, or something :wink:

I suppose a semi-serious comment is also in order here (Don’t look so shocked Viva, NCB, and Aes).

As I mentioned earlier on, I think that an anthology series would be a good one that could also help keep the stories more fresh. You could tell old stories (McCoy and Spock’s first meeting could be interesting, for example) as well as new. But, unfortunatly, I don’t thing that it would be commercially viable. Anthology series just haven’t seemed to catch the public’s interest. It may be because people tend to want to be able to follow the same characters from week to week. That continuity is one of the things that allowed the aforementioned “Love Boat” and “Fantasy Island” to succeed but, despite my smart-ass parody, I sure as heck don’t want to see “Fantasy Planet”.

This has been mentioned before, but I think that two things need to happen for any type of new Trek to break out of the rut it’s gotten into.

  • New blood is desperately needed. If Paramount needs to keep Berman and Braga around, they need to make sure that they are absolutely limited to “Executive Producer” duties only. Day-to-day creative decisions need to go elsewhere.

  • Somehow, the formula needs to be broken. Enterprise was a good idea but they’ve failed to meet it’s potential. I don’t know if it’s because of the irresistable desire to acknowledge “future” events in the Trek universe (“someday, there will be a directive about heavy-handed self referencing”) Berman’s apparent fascination with tired time travel plots, or the obvious pandering (decom, anyone?), but it’s been disapointing so far to say the least. So the franchise needs to go somewhere new.

This was mentioned in an earlier thread (I don’t know by whom), but what I think could work would be to spend a little time exploring the darker side of the Federatation. We could start in Admiral Janeway’s office as she dresses down a young Lt. Commander who screwed up big-time in his (or her) first command. He’s then sent off to command some junker patrol ship. It’s an old plot, but it would give them a chance to see the seedier side of the Federation (and, sadly, old plot ideas seem to be easier to sell to networks). The commander could either be played sympathetically or as an arrogant twit who needs to be taken down a couple of notches.

One question–why have they never dealt directly with the Kittimer (sp?) massacre? Wasn’t it some huge deal? Shouldn’t we be seeing a movie re: it at some point?

What about a series completely devoted to life on a Klingon ship? Just picture it: everyone speaking Klingon all the time and there’d be subtitles.

Pfft, kasuo! You’re obviously not a true Trekker. Otherwise you wouldn’t need subtitles to understand Klingon…

Star Trek: Holodeck Fantasies Programmer

Now showing on Cinemax after 10 PM on weekends. Lets the producers take Enterprise to its logical conclusion.

“Oh yeah baby, re-route my deflector dish!”

I vote for a series based on the episode Assignment Earth , chronicling the adventures of Gary Seven, Isis the cat, and Roberta Lincoln, set in the original 1960’s timeframe.

It’s a nice idea… but I suspect it just ain’t gonna happen.

Berman and Braga may well be part of the problem… but the point is, they don’t own Trek.

PARAMOUNT owns Trek.

Which creates a kind of paradox. The whole reason Trek went anywhere is because it was lively, it was relevant, and it didn’t talk down to its audience. It could be controversial. It was different. It was edgy, for its time.

Naturally, it wasn’t wildly popular at first. A huge percentage of modern Trek fandom never saw a first-run episode of TOS… they were snared by the reruns.

But now, Trek is a “franchise.” It’s worth a fortune. They aren’t going to hand that over to just anyone. And anyone they DO hand it to is going to have to have proven his loyalty and value to Paramount… or he is going to have to have two or three studio munchkins assigned to him, to veto anything they don’t like.

Man, that ain’t Trek. That’s filmmaking by committee. And it won’t snare the fanboys.

So we have Berman, a Studio Man, who won’t dare try anything that might irritate the studio… or ignite any controversy… or deviate in any way from anything that’s been done to death already.

…and then Babylon 5 comes along, and beats the crap out of it.

Sigh…