Certainly your GPA should not be discounted, as it explains much. In general:
GPA of 2.7= Cool Dude/Dudette
GPA of 3.9= Messed up in the head.
I didn’t say it is easy 
I don’t see why it has to be humiliating when a child is asked to explain himself. I also didn’t say you need to tell the child he asked “a stupid question”. In your example the question itself is not stupid at its own. The child only doesn’t seem to know when a question is disturbing and in fact unnecessary (since he received all the needed information already, but didn’t pay attention). If you want to avoid such behaviour in the future you need to address the question by taking it as an occasion to educate the child.
The moment you address a question you give it attention which is already one form of answering it. Why should addressing a question discourage children to ask other questions?
I don’t see where we agree since I said indeed that one should never discourage questions, nor fail to answer them when they are asked.
I didn’t meant to refer to what you call “sarcastic public humiliation”. It also is not necessary to talk to the student in question during the class itself. It is for you to decide if that is reasonable or not.
In my opinion it is far better to teach children the difference between a real legitimate question and:
a cry for attention - an attempt to be “funny” - an attempt to escape from using your brain and skills to resolve the question yourself - an escape from the fact that you didn’t pay attention when explanation was given about the subject of your question.
Salaam. A
I just don’t see any way to make these things less than humiliating:
Translates into:
Why weren’t you paying attention, Johnny? Why are you so special you can disturb the group because of your inattention? Can you explain why you find nothing wrong with exposing your laziness, Johnny?
Giving a question attention is not the same as answering it. That doesn’t even make any sense.
If, when a child asks a question one does not answer that question and instead takes the opportunity to point out the child’s laziness in even asking that quesion, then one is discouraging a repeat of questions in that catagory. One is also running a risk of discouraging questions in general, but it is a risk at times worth taking, as teaching a child to think for themselves is an important, worthwhile goal.
See, now you are really redefining things. “Answer” has already been defined as “any response” and now “question” has been redefined as “real legitimate question” I’ll agree with you totally that there is no such thing as a “stupid legitimate question”. But there are stupid illegitimate questions, and children should be taught to recognize the difference between the two and discouraged from asking the stupid ones through whichever means works best for each child. Rarely is that means a straightforward answer.
Roland I have a better suggestion.
Leave this board.
Please don’t take that to mean that I’m tired of you or anything like that because I’m not. I find your questions very interesting (the one about hydrofluoric acid, especially). It’s just that (based on the few days I’ve been registered here) this board is a mostly useless, incestuous, clique ridden feudal feifdom of a message board where the whining, bilious little creeps outnumber the sane voices of reason by about a thousand to one.
Just look at the way they’ve jumped all over you with no provocation whatsoever. This place has more than its fair quote of bullies and scumbags who get their kicks pissing all over anybody with an individualistic posting style and although there are a great many polite and helpful members here they are being drowned under the digital effluvia spewing forth from the keyboards of adolescent dickheads like Ilsa_Lund and dnooman.
I understand that you’ve paid your money and would want to make the most of it but if I were you I’d ask for your money back and find a nicer message board, where people can answer a question without copping a condescending attitude. This place just isn’t worth your trouble. They’ve certainly lost this potential customer.
Why griffon2…I forgot you were there…You may go now.
A few things in reply:
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I would assert that there is no such thing as a sincerely asked stupid question. All of my questions reflected actual curiosity or the desire for the input of others.
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Based upon the Dr’s reply above it seems that he believes that only “smart” people are deserving of having their question treated with respect. I think that I’m reasonably intelligent, but even if I am an intellectual moron, I would argue that even sincere questions submitted by a moran don’t deserve denigration (perhaps they don’t deserve your attention either, but that is a different issue). I try to follow the example of Jesus (despite being a borderline agnostic) and treat all people with the same level of respect. It doesn’t matter if I’m addressing one of my professors in nursing school (or the admissions board at the medical schools to which I applied), the President of the United States, or a homeless person on the streets. I remember his words that “God causes the rain to fall on both the wicked and the righteous”; and also “judge not lest ye be judged”. Of course being human I sometimes fail to live up to this objective (and do end up treating people differently because of their station in life) however, I strive against this tendency. If intelligence and education is your standard for treating a question with respect will you accept your questions being insulted from someone more educated and intelligent than you?
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To the person you questions my fitness as a potential nurse. Most of my clinical professors have implied that if anything I am “to passive” in the field. It’s a contradiction that on one hand I am over aggressive with questions and discussion in a didactic setting such as the classroom (and on message boards) while at the same time shy, and passive in many social situations (I’m usually fine one on one, but in groups it’s a different story).
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To the person who suggests I should leave. Perhaps you are correct, but the bottom line is that I’m just to stubborn to abandon an argument to my critics. I will try to better obey the rules, but in the end you’re just going to have to kick me off to get rid of this poster.
Smeghead, are you serious? Using spelling errors and typos to disparage someone’s position is strictly something most people abandoned by the sixth grade. It goes back to Kant’s conversational implicature and is especially surprising from a group that seems to pride themselves upon their intellectual prowess. Many here have criticised me for what they take as a lack of sufficient, sincerity ect. in my questions, and you post something like that? I may be nothing but a buffoon to many of you, but at least I express sincere opinions without trying to insult anyone.
Dude, we don’t want to get rid of you. Just relax, take advice from the nice folks and ignore those who are being rude.
What in the world has this got to do with my post? Honestly, Roland, what in the world has that response got to do with my post?
I scale my posts to my audience.
You said: “Well, I’ll tell you, Roland. Your automatic aversion to authority and your ingrained desire to go against what you perceive as accepted wisdom both raise red flags in my mind about someone who wants to be a nurse. Your personality as it comes across in your posts raises doubts in my mind about what your bedside manner would be like.”
I replied that in reality if anything my clinical instructors observe that I am often too passive rather than exhibiting an aversion to authority. Maybe it’s because I’m uncomfortable with my clinical skills, or afraid that I will make someone mad, but I am known for being too easy going in the hospital. In fact, I often get stuck doing tasks which are not even my responsibility (by staff nurses and fellow student nurses) because I lack the spine to simply say no. In addition, I often find myself trying to “buy” social acceptance (I spent over $150.00 dollars buying the staff lunch during my CNA clinicals last Summer. I intended to do it only once, but couldn’t “say no” for fear of not being liked when they asked after that) My aversion to authority only manifests in my private diatribes to my wife (and on message boards), and sometimes by asking excessive questions in the class room. My point is that I’m more of a door mat than a tyrant in real life. When we had a mortgage company my wife would often get angry at me because I priced loans near, at or below cost. On the other hand when I have sold vehicles I end up nearly (or actually) giving stuff away rather than holding out for a fair price. I’m not an anti-authoritarian person, I’m a pussy in most circumstances. Of course that may be an issue unto itself as far as being an effective nurse is concerned (especially an effective CRNA or NP which is what I ultimately want to do). By the way, my becoming a nurse has little to do with what I want, and more to do with trying to better provide for my three year old son and wife( although I do despirately want to become a CRNA or NP). I would haul hot coals in Hell and thank God for the opportunity if that is what it takes to provide them with a better standard of living (health insurance, good schooling ect).
Since your audience includes everyone who readsthis thread then you are casting aspersions with a rather wide net! Are you the kind of person that used to go out of their way to make fun of people in highschool? I ask this because, your comment reflects the very sort of brutish behavior which seems to be the common language of bullies everywhere. Intellectual, elitism that manifests itself as mocking insults can be just as boorish as making fun of someone because of their height, weight or other physical characteristics (and then demanding their lunch money). George Bernard Shaw illustrated this concept in the portrayal of his character of professor Higgins in Pygmalion, who demonstrated that sometimes bullies can have PhD’s (or M.D.'s).
Easy there, Jimbo. I posted a couple of snarky jokes. I didn’t cast aspersions on your ancestry or threaten your family.
Man. For someone who seems devoted to posting batshit-looney threads, you sure seem to take yourself awfully seriously.
I’d advise you to lighten up a bit and try to have some fun here, if I thought you’d listen.
Well, if you were just having some “snarky fun” then I retract any offence taken. However, if that’s the case why did you feel it necessary to add additional insult with this statement: " For someone who seems devoted to posting batshit-looney threads, you sure seem to take yourself awfully seriously."
I wonder how many highschool bullies don't consider themselves to just be having a bit of "snarky fun" at the expense of their latest target. The answer as to why I take offence might be that I don't consider my posts to be batshit-looney threads. The fact that I am so profoundly, and earnestly sincere in regards to my threads only deepens my offense when others dismiss them so lightly. On shows such as Myth Busters the hosts spend a good deal of money on such profound topics as "whether or not sealing a car with pig entrails will make it stink so intensely that it cannot be cleaned" and yet I don't see anyone questioning their sincerity, let alone their sanity.
My "mutagen" question for instance was so unusual that no one to whom I have ever posed the concept has even remotely considered it's implications. Maybe it should be addressed if for no other reason than that the failure to consider such matters might amount to a carte blance to any "bad guys" out there who *have* considered (or God forbid utilized) such methods. After all if a topic such as this is out of bounds even on the famed Straight Dope board where even cooking methods for semen has been tossed about, then I doubt that it is being considered actively in crime labs around the country ( by the way I would love to see the response from people here if the character on CSI, Gil Grissom played by William Peterson asked some of the questions on his mind in this forum)! How many murderers might walk free because an entire category of crimes as elucidated by Roland Deschain could not be brought into the public discourse for discussion? I will grant you that the answer is probably none, but are you really so sure? In a related thought how many little kids will have their fingers crushed in door jambs because my thread on "door jamb protectors" was so easily dismissed as "bat shit looney" to be "snarked at" with abandon. What is perhaps even more relevent, how many people of far greater intelligence than myself might refrain from posting interesting, original, ideas for fear of being treated in a manner similar to this? Snark it up if you will, but you may be helping to propel a chill wind, rather than just hot air.That’s one hell of a stretch on your part, gunslinger. I certainly don’t recall mentioning you in that context, as I was merely addressing the age-old question of whether or not stupid questions exist. I also commented on the general utility of “thinking outside the box” in medicine.
Do you often get your exercise by leaping to unsubstantiated or unwarranted conclusions?
If the shoe doesn’t fit, then the sentiments do not apply. However, I was responding to your statement that there may not be stupid questions, but that there were indeed stupid people who proferred them (put forth in this thread). In addition, I was also responding to your assertion in a related Pit thread to the tune that “the best names went with the worst posters”. I combined that sentiment with your objection to my previous position against wanting to consider SSRI’s in favor of testosterone antagonists/ GnRH antagonists such as Cetrorelix or something like Depo-Provera (in fact in the final analysis, I probably wouldn’t take either, but was arguing in favor of the concept that my motiviations were as valid as many for which they are commonly utilized).
It seems you may read waaaay too much into statements. I already elaborated my intent about the “stupid questions” issue.
And I said that the coolest usernames went with the dorkiest people, and vice-versa, and pointed to my own username as an example. I purposely kept it ambiguous so everyone could guess whether I was referring to myself as a dork or as a cool person.
And I stand behind my medical opinion about using extreme measures such as Depo in the way you described.
You’d do best to not personalize my statements unless I’ve explicitly noted that they’re meant for you in specific.
Note to Roland,
I should probably stay out of this. But, this last exchange with Qadgop to me typifies why people are telling you that you should quit posting so much (especially new threads) and spend more time reading the board, getting to know various forums, conventions and styles of posters. I’ve never known Qadgop to be deliberately mean to a poster. Admittedly, I don’t read every thread, especially in the Pit where personal attacks are allowed. His comment on coolness/dorkiness I interpreted primarily as a witty quip, somewhat at the expense of the person asking about your “cool user name” who had a user name similar to yours. Secondarily, it was a quip at his own expense, and perhaps a bit at you. Were someone to make a similar quip at my expense I’d like to think I’d react as being more flattered to be noticed than anything else. (Actually, some poster recently told another poster not to listen to me, but that was just school rivalry in action, and I don’t remember the name of the poster, and suspect the poster has forgotten mine. It made sense in the thread. Carrying a grudge beyond that thread would be silly. )
Some people find you annoying, that is true of many posters, especially the prolific ones. You need to recognize that not every negative comment, even if it is in a thread aimed at you, should be taken personally. If you resist the temptation to get too defensive, and spend more time getting to know the rest of the board and its quirks you too can be a long term, prolific poster. I’m going to resist the temptation to tell you specific things about your posting style which annoy people, other people have listed them already (and besides, it annoys me when people with “low post counts” talk too much about how people should behave. While I’ve lurked off and on for years, my post count is still pretty low).