A rant that has been ranted before.

O friends, beat me, burn me, rape me, and kill me, because I’m going to rant about animal rights activists and the good Lord knows that since people who eat meat are wrong, I’m gonna get flamed big time. One of my friends, who is “deeply concerned” (and I quote) about me, sent me a link to http://www.peta.com, the website for the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Apparently, she’s afraid that I’m going to have a heart attack because of the fact that I eat red meat. Granted, eating nothing but can be seriously detrimental to one’s health, but for Chrissakes I eat maybe one burger a month! Anyway, I was reading through the site, and I come across their FAQ board. The board has questions on it like, “What are animal rights?” and “What rights should animals have?”. The responses to these questions are ridiculous.

“a dog doesn’t have an interest in voting and therefore doesn’t have the right to vote, since that right would be as meaningless to a dog as it is to a child.”

“You are free to believe whatever you want as long as you don’t hurt others. You may believe that animals should be killed, that black people should be enslaved, or that women should be beaten, but you don’t always have the right to put your beliefs into practice.”

“It is impossible to live your life without causing some harm; we’ve all accidentally stepped on ants or breathed in gnats, but that doesn’t mean we should intentionally cause unnecessary harm. Just because you might accidentally hit someone with your car is no reason to run someone over on purpose.”

Anyone noticing a pattern here? These people are comparing human beings to animals. What does the interest in voting a dog has have to do with ANYTHING about children? The interests of a child have to do with society and it’s place in it. The interests of a dog are eating, sleeping, and licking it’s nuts. I know many “children” to whom the right to vote would mean a very great deal, but not a single dog who could give a flying fuck one way or the other. Yes, I am free to believe whatever I want as long as it doesn’t hurt others, but what connection to grilling a steak have to do with enslaving a fellow human being? Trying on leather shoes does NOT have the same significance as laying into my wife with a baseball bat, I’m sorry to say. And above all, hitting someone with my car on purpose is NOT the same as raising chickens for their meat! I don’t kill and eat chickens because it’s fun, I do it because I’m hungry! And believe me, if that poor baby lion you’re protecting from the big bad hunters who wish to protect their property got hungry and you were the only thing around, it wouldn’t hesitate to cruelly and unnecessarily kill and eat you.

Animals are not human. Yes, many animals are sentient. But can animals laugh, cry, or fall in love? No. They hurt and feel hunger and need sleep, but they don’t have emotion. Animals don’t solve problems using reasoning and intelligence, but instead rely solely on instinct. I have no problems with preventing things like hunting for sport, but if the only thing that could keep me warm was a nice mink coat, I’ll lay down my money and brave the chill winds in high style.

In the end, doesn’t it come down to survival of the fittest? I can keep cows to butcher and eat, so I will, because cow meat keeps me alive another day. I can go out and hunt for a beaver’s hide, because selling it will buy me some cow meat. And nothing’s going to prevent me from living. That’s how the dogs/pigs/rats/children live, isn’t it?

Nice rant, but it’s not only been done before, it’s been done LOTS before.

Zette

I’m gonna say this here, since I don’t wanna resurrect any of the other threads…

If you’re ever annoyed by a vegetarian/vegan/petan who touts that eating meat is evil, just turn towards them and say, “It tastes fucking great.”

You know what really tastes good?

Vegans.

I don’t know exactly why. Probably because they eat all healthy, like. But I tell you, you slap one of them vegans on the grill… woooeeeeee!! That’s good eatin’.

now THAT if funny! :smiley:

Mmmm, long pig!
“breathed in gnats”??? WTF kind of obscure example is that. Actually, you’re right. Everything you posted was pretty psycho.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m going home to eat some pork chops tonight. Mmmm, pork chops.

I love your OP, but I disagree that animals do NOT feel emotion. My cats have been jealous, happy, sad, grumpy, same with my dog. They’re smart little shits.

PETP

Hmm. I was under the impression that people WERE animals. Personally, I don’t find the ethical treatment of people and other animals to be mutually exclusive. Apparently you do. Very sad.

Your little rant would have been ok if you did not make such a wild claim like, "But can animals laugh, cry, or fall in love? No. " That is utter bullshit! I know for a fact that elephants cry! They cry out of emotion and out of pain! I am sure many people could give other great examples. Stop just making shit up to strengthen your rant, it makes you look like a fucking idiot and an asshole!
There are very intelligent and emotional animals out there that should NOT be killed or hunted. Elephants, whales, dolphins etc. These animals are extremely intelligent. They actually DO think. They just dont react to stimuli and act on instinct as you ignorantly believe. There is no debate that some animals should not be tortured or killed for any reason. Is there? Does anyone here actually agree with killing whales and elephants?

As for the others, well that is definitely up for debate.

As for the point of your OP and not the content, I would have to say I mostly agree with you. Mostly. Stopping to help a warm cross a hot pavement is a little much, I think. Crying after you breath in gnats and end a hundred fragile little lives in a split second is rather eccentric, I think. Killing deer? They are prey afterall…

I enjoyed the PETA answer to the FAQ, “It is ok to kill an animal as long as I eat what I kill, right?”
There answer was, “Jeffery Dahmer ate everything he killed, does that make it any better?!?”
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Sorry, it is bad form to make claims withough the proof…

http://elephant.elehost.com/About_Elephants/about_elephants.htm

Yeah, they say animals CAN suffer from depression.
One of our cats passed away recently, and the night she died, another of our cats, Noel, (we had three, now only two :frowning: kept looking at me as if to say, “Where’s Fluffy?”
And they always seemed to notice when I was upset about something…

Fuck veggieburgers, it’s veganburgers for me!!

I think there are generally two schools of thought in the animal rights camp:

  1. Animals should not suffer needlessly. Cosmetics shouldn’t be tested on animals, if you’re going to eat animals, kill them humanely, people should be punished for beating up their dogs. I support this type of activism.

  2. Animals are inherrently good, and people are inherrently bad (PETA). Doctors trying to cure cancer and AIDS should be threatened because they use animals in their research. This type of activism is disgustingly immoral; a human life is worth a thousand stanky ass rats any day, if that’s what it takes.

I would like to apologize (wow, this is new territory in here…) for posting without accurately backing up my information. After I calmed down a bit :o, I went and looked up information to support what I said and found much to the contrary. I look like a putz now, but ah well, so it goes…

My real point is that human lives are not the same as animal lives in the sense that we rise above them, in ability and intelligence. Therefore, we really DO have the rights to do whatever we want to better our position. I would gladly trade my pet rat away for a chance at the cure for cancer, and I can do that because he doesn’t have the means to stop me. In much the same way, a lion could knock me down and tear my flesh off to feed herself and her cubs because I don’t have the means to prevent her. It’s all about the position on the food chain, and the position in life. Why are humans the dominant life form on the planet? Because we can be. Why is a human life worth more than that of said experimental rat or slaughterhouse heifer? Because we make ourselves powerful enough to force that superiority on the rest of the world. It’s not cruel, because we’re a part of nature too and that’s how we survive.

<sighs> I feel better now… <wipes remainder of egg off face>

The PETA people need to get a clue. They eat insects all the time. Just check out the Food Defect Action Levels. There all kinds of insects and insect parts in our food. I also heard something recently about eating insects in your sleep, but couldn’t find a source on the web.

Well, now you’ve done it. I won’t be getting any sleep tonight. Bleeeecccchhhhh.

Feel free to insert the word “are” in my above post wherever you feel it may help.

Eating spiders? It’s been covered right here in GQ. Additionally, there’s an upcoming Mailbag article dealing with this very topic. Stay tuned.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=35104

Eating bugs is a really gross thing, IMHO, but it seems to happen all the time. I opened a can of Campbell’s veggie soup one day, and much to my disgust I found a beatle in it. Not the poster, it was a bug. Of course I only found the bug as I was eating the soup, not as it was being prepared or anything. :rolleyes:

According to Campbell’s this sort of this happens all the time. :eek: They have an allowance of bugs and bug parts that is acceptable by FDA standards, so much per ton of whatever veggie they are putting into the soup. I still don’t eat canned soup very often anymore.

aenea said:

So that’swhere Ringo went…

I read through a few of those FAQs, and from what I read, I can assume they believe the following:

  1. Animals basically have rights to do whatever they want to do (including eating other animals.)

  2. Humans are animals (it is not directly mentioned, but they make references to that fact.)

Therefore, humans should be allowed to eat animals.

I could probably to a question-by-question analysis of if/why their responses are wrong, but you people probably already realize it.

And as for the “milk increases your chances of blah blah blah” argument, I’ll reiterate what I said in another thread; if you’re chances of getting X cancer are doubled by drinking milk, that just takes it from 1 in 10,000 (or so, I don’t know the exact chances of getting any type of cancer) to 2 in 10,000. Big freaking whoop.

And, for the record, I have never (while awake) inhaled any gnats, or any other type of visible bug.

Excuse me, I think my vegan burgers are ready.