Actually, I was referring more to the post below, which I will proceed to comment on. Yours was just fine. After all, you appreciated the meal you received, and though you may have wanted or preferred something else, you did not complain about it to your hosts, AFAIK.
Why not? They have a right to their beliefs, a right to assemble…
It’s not politics. You use the word politics because it has a negative connotation. It’s about personal ethics, beliefs, morals, conscience, you name it. Hospitality takes a back seat to ethics.
Good enough for me. If you cannot eat meat because of a medical condition, I understand and sympathize with you. But refusing to eat meat for moral reasons makes no sense to me. Please explain:
Some vegetarians have pet cats and/or dogs. And they feed those pets meat. It’s immoral for them to eat dead cow flesh, but it’s perfectly all right to serve that same dead cow flesh to Fido or Fluffy? Or do they make Fido or Fluffy go out and kill their own, absolving them of the moral issues? Or do they feed them some kind of weird-ass vegetarian pet food that will probably leave F&F malnourished and/or constipated or worse?
It’s immoral for a human to hunt down and kill a deer and eat it, but it’s perfectly okay for a wolf or a cougar to kill and eat that very same deer? Why?
In some parts of the world, vegetarianism is impossible. You know what they call a vegetarian Eskimo? “Hungry.” Should they all move south to the more-enlightened part of the world and stop their “barbaric” habit of eating seals and walruses and fish?
Would a vegetarian who won’t eat chicken eggs and yet is in favor of abortion be a hypocrite? Eggs are just un-born chickens, you know. What about one who is NOT in favor of abortion, but who DOES eat eggs? (Okay, now I’m being silly.)
If I go to someone’s house and I don’t know you’re a vegetarian and you serve me a meat-less dinner, the first thing that’ll occur to me is that you’re either poor or cheap. If you explain it to me, I’ll understand, but I’ll probably feel insulted if you don’t.
What?!?!? You think this thread is the proper forum for asking these grilling questions of vegetarians?
DID YOU NOT READ THE OP?!?!?
I did NOT start this thread to answer a lot of questions about vegetarianism. I specifically said that IF I AM NOT NAGGING YOU, LEAVE ME ALONE. So why do you feel like you are entitled to any answers to these questions? It’s none of your business, at least not on this thread. I specifically stated that, in the OP.
I think you have proven my point, though–about non-veggies giving veggies a hard time. Who gives a damn if “you don’t get it” or if “it doesn’t make any sense” to you? This thread was NOT designed for you to air your gripes about vegetarians. Sorry. (This is the Pit, I can get pissy if I want to!)
I don’t know what everyone is getting all upset about here. Vegetarians have the right to eat whatever they want. The same as all you meat eaters. I have always thought that it is a good things that we have vegetarians around. I mean, what if you happen to be in a plane that crashes in the Himalayas? Would you like to be in a plane full of vegetarians, or a plane full of carnivores?
A vegetarian would be less likely to whack you on the back of the head hoping to chow down on your thigh bone.
There is no need to draw straws as a vegetarian won’t eat meat anyways.
So, if you are a vegetarian and you crash land in the mountains and someone asks for a show of hands after saying, “We have to divide the food up. Who is a vegetarian?”. Please put your hand up as it would resolve a potentially contentious situation among your fellow passengers.
I’ve had about enough of this “vegetarians don’t cook meat” business. Bullshit.
I recently had a dinner party. Since this was mixed company – two veggies and two meat-eaters – I made two pots of chili. One with cow. One with no cow. No problem. The veggie-haters loved their dinner. The meat-haters loved their dinner.
However willing I am to COOK meat, I guarantee you I cannot TASTE the dish in preparation. I have no way of knowing if it will turn out okay…
Unless I ask one of the guests – a meat eater – to taste it for me! Ohmigawd… a solution! She tasted, suggested more salt, problem solved.
BTW… The Personal is ALWAYS Political. You just don’t HAVE to subject your friends to it.
Would it be “political” to “subject” your friends to macaroni and cheese? Would it be “political” to “subject” your friends to a nice green salad? What would be wrong with that? Where is it written that every meal a person ever eats in their entire life has to contain meat? Are there any of us that NEVER (ever ever ever) have had Mac and Cheese for dinner, and a green salad, and maybe a baked potato? Was that “political”, or was that merely “dinner”?
Sheesh. It would be one thing to “subject” someone to some crackpot dinner that was bad-tasting and full of bizarre ingredients. But there are so many “mainstream” dishes that people eat all the damned time, and also (coincidence of coincidences) happen to NOT contain meat. What’s the big fricking deal if someone serves these “mainstream” dishes?
You’re right, this is the PIT. And we all have to turn into a bunch of “oh yes Yosemitebabe- you’re SO right” dittoheads just because you STARTED this thread? This IS the PIT, so he can ask nasty questions, or flame you, or agree with you, or simply tell you to "fuck off’. Of course, you may return the favor. Remember our 1st debate “Are vegetarians hypocrites?”? Think about it.
DanielITWD, what is it you don’t get here? The point is not about whether vegetarians are hypocrites, the point is that we aren’t bugging you about what you eat, so leave us the fuck alone! It’s not HURTING you, is it? Is my lack of meat somehow disrupting your enjoyment of life? No, I don’t THINK so. So why on earth do you give a flying fuck what I eat? It’s nice that you eat meat; I honestly don’t care what you put in your tummy tum. Go out right now and get yourself a big juicy burger, I’m not gonna tell you shouldn’t. So return the favor, okay?
If some vegetarian is rude and tells you you shouldn’t eat meat, tell them to fuck off. Telling someone else to obey your morals is just plain impolite at best and harrassment at worse, whether it’s a militant vegan, a fundie Christian who tells you you’re going to hell, or a twit on a message board who can’t keep his nose out of other people’s fridges.
I think my OP says it all. This is a rant against those jerks who feel the need to insist that vegetarians “justify” ourselves. That we “explain” it to them. They don’t “get it”. Oh, and they all have the same old tired arguments and “gotchas!” (they think they are so original, and so clever, yeah) and the OP was explaining how TIRED we vegetarians are of this.
This is my rant, and other vegetarians’ rant. And I can tell someone to sod off if I think they are doing exactly what I was ranting against in the OP. Which is what I am doing. Sure, anyone can ask any questions they want on this thread. They can just go out and demonstrate exactly what I’ve been ranting about - and that’s what jab has done. Just providing living proof that some people just cannot let it alone. He read the OP, he knew what it was about (i.e. “If I’m not nagging you, leave me alone”, etc.) and yet he goes out and makes all these “jabs” (Sorry, bad pun) at vegetarians, expecting us to “justify” ourselves to him. Which, of course, he has every right to do. And I have a right to tell him to sod off. Up to speed now?
Note, I did none of this, all I did was tell Yosemite that she had no right to tell others what to post in “her” thread. I did not complain about her (or your) food choice, nor did I mention what MY food choices were. In fact, in an earlier post (in this thread), I basicly agreed with Yosemite. Nor do I care what you OR Yosemite eats. So, based upon you jumping down my throat for something I did NOT do- you are clearly (pick one): A: a bitch B: a pissant C: a kneejerk D: Illiterate, or E: all of the above. I’m going for “E” right now, but maybe you can talk me into just “C”.
yosemitebabe I was not trying to tick you off, I was genuinely trying to get some satisfactory answers to some questions I have.
But you must remember that starting a thread does not make it yours. You cannot choose who posts here, nor can you specify the content of those posts. Only Cecil, Ed and the moderators can do that. (I have decided that Cecil and Ed are two different people till I know otherwise.)
Now pardon me while I go get a Burger King Double Whopper with cheese.
You get it, yosemitebabe?! Get it?! It’s one of those >>snort<< hilarious reminders >>snicker<< that jab1 eats meat and >>tears<< you don’t! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahahaha! Hahahahahahaha!
Oh god, oh god, wait, it’s so funny! I’ve never heard that before! HAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahahahaha!
Oh, shit, man, I’m never going to get my composure back! HAAAhahahahahaha! I think I’m going to wet myself! It’s just [sup]SO GODDAMNED FUNNY AND ORIGINAL[/sup]
Wait, wait–I don’t think you’re understanding it. See, you don’t eat meat, and he does, so he’s telling you what he’s having for lunch!!! HAAAAAAAAAhahahahahaha! I mean, the mind boggles at the thought processes that must have been going on to produce such an audacious, groundbreaking, strategically humorous bon mot!
Oh, jab, please, please tell me you do kid’s parties and bar mitzvahs and stuff. I have got to have you for my next event.
To respond to your other post: Imagine this hypothetical scenario, if you will.
A person starts a thread ranting about how people always ask them about their shoes. They MAKE A LIST of the things that are most commonly asked, the most annoying questions, etc. They plead for people to STOP asking these tired old questions about their shoes, and to basically mind their own business. The thread goes on from there, people who also get annoying questions about their shoes pipe in, etc. etc.
Then some fricking genius comes along and asks:
“So, how about them shoes?”
Now, this extrordinarily observant mental giant has every right to ask such a question on such a thread - but they are begging to be flamed. And to look like anything but a genius.
Well, that’s just what happened on this thread! OK?
The problem is, I’ve met many a meat eater who seems genuinely distressed and angry that I don’t eat meat. All that happens is I or someone else mentions I’m a vegetarian and the inevitable shitstorm follows. “Why?” is almost always the first question. Well, don’t ask the question if you don’t want to know the answer, and trust me, these people don’t want to know the answer. One person became quite angry at me. I didn’t even push the conversation along, just simply answered every question posed to me. I said, “Are you mad at me?” She said, “Yes.”
Maybe we should all take a deep breath. I know this is the pit, and therefore everyone can act as childish is they like. y-babe, while you did start this thread to rant, it has evolved into a discussion about vegetarianism. jab1 may have asked in a way that upset you, but he asked some relevant questions to all vegetarians participating in this debate. If they are so offensive, ignore them. After all, this is the place to be offended. We’ve all read your rant once.
And, ‘babe, there is a difference between telling someone to sod-off becuase he is being an annoying pissant, as he is doing exactly what you asked him not to do; and something entirely else to act like the Queen of the PIT and tell someone they can’t post in “your” thread. OK? So, yeah, he deserved your best flame, but when you start acting all bossy, it is best to look under your name, where it says “member”, not “administrator” or "moderator’.
If you all ever show up at my house, you can eat whatever you want (even though I am vegetarian) if you bring your own, because I am a terrible cook (or maybe just a lazy one).[/hijack]
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I won’t ask you about what you are eating (except maybe to compliment your cooking skills if it even resembles something edible) and I would appreciate the same courtesy.
Daniel, I think I explained it once - more than once. But to quote my previous post:
Got that? I know that anyone can ask anything they want on any thread. But considering the context of this thread, and also considering this is the PIT, I can flame someone. Especially since they go around and do exactly what I (and all the other veggies) have been ranting about ON THIS THREAD. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
