I agree that there is no party of the current big 2 that offer fiscal conservancy, which is why I find myself aligning more with third party platforms.
I’ll just let you argue with yourself.
You’re right.
Blaming people who voted for Clinton for Trump getting elected and excusing those who actually voted for him is essentially the same as the logic spouse abusers use when they blame the spouse for making them beat them.
You should stop doing that.
The party of personal responsibility sure doesn’t show any these days.
How is it anyone’s fault but your own that you are woefully ignorant of Duverger’s Law?
Curious. Is your plan to raise taxes or to cut spending?
That’s a little defensive, but thanks for being honest about how you ultimately plan to vote.
As to me being honest about what I write, I’m not exactly sure what you’re getting at. Are you asking me whether I believe that whoever the Dem candidate turns out to be, he or she will pursue a platform similar to that of the Obama administration? If so, yes, I believe that despite all the progressive ideas from Sanders, Warren, etc… I think the American electorate is not ready for higher taxes to pay for free tuition and UHC. Don’t get me wrong, would be great if the majority got behind such a progressive change, but I doubt they will. So I believe we are not going to get anything too far left of the Obama administration policies.
That’s why I pressed you to tell me whether you were voting for policies or for candidates. Seems you are more concerned with personality than being a pragmatist about the kinds of policies are likely to be successfully implemented. Saying you’d vote for a third party candidate, or sit it out, is a reasonable choice given your line of reasoning, in my opinion. So, as long as you don’t vote for Trump, I have no fight to pick with you.
I don’t blame the general voter for that at all. I blame the DNC for not listening to the country and putting forth an electable person instead of toeing the line of NEXT UP!
So yes, they are to blame.
And if you want to lay blame on third party voters for Trump getting elected, then YOU are just as at fault as the DNC leadership for allowing such a Democrat candidate to be put forth.
lololol. The party of personal responsibility, everyone! Rugged individualism at it’s finest!
Democrats have been working to bring down the federal deficit for decades. It came down to 0 under President Clinton. After going up at the beginning of Obama’s presidency to deal with the recession, the deficit was coming down for most of his term. Give Republicans control and it shoots back up again.
If the last 30 years haven’t convinced you that one party does offer fiscal conservancy, I don’t know what to tell you.
I am an advocate for personal responsibility. Your point being what? Other than someone else parroted it earlier.
It should come as no surprise that what you are attempting to call MY personal responsibility, really isn’t.
The DNC didn’t “put” anyone up. The primary voters did by voting for Clinton in more primaries and caucuses than any other primary candidate. Who was the more electable person they should have “put up”, Sanders? Do you think the RNC should “put” candidates up, or let primary voters decide?
Trump was elected by Trump voters. They need to stop trying to pass the buck. I know it’s hard to admit when one has made a serious mistake and backed the wrong person, but blaming the rest of the country for a personal decision is not going to get us anywhere.
Had I voted for Trump in a primary, I suppose you would get a gold star.
I did not, now what?
Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
I don’t know, stop blaming those who were most opposed to Trump for him getting elected? That’s a start.
Pretty sure he’s pointing out that the vast majority of the responsibility for Trump lies with Trump, his supporters, and his enablers, not his opponents that made some strategic errors. Just as the responsibility for, say, a lynching lies with the lynchers and those that tolerated lynching, not the opponents of lynching who didn’t find the perfect way to oppose lynching.
Of course you opposed him, he ran on a Republican ticket. You have zero control over that. What you did have the slightest bit of control over was how popular someone unelectable was going to be in the General vs how popular they were in the Primary.
But the DNC had FULL control over whom they put forth in the Primaries. Just as the GOP had full control over whom they put forth in theirs.
So all this blame that this board likes to heap upon them other guys but take ZERO responsibility themselves, that’s hogwash.
So blame abounds. Take some.
Exactly Wrong. Blame lies with both sides since had they put forth a person (possibly any person seen as having a higher moral standing, and a bit charismatic) like Obama, they would have been elected. Instead they went with someone who had seniority (sure she was popular with the Dems but she wasn’t getting anyone to cross aisles or rush out to vote) with loads of baggage.
What do I know, maybe the turnout will end up different this time. If Trump wins again with his dismal popularity and approval ratings, who we blaming?
Yep-Both sides were equally to blame the same way both sides were equally bad. :rolleyes:
Are you an idiot, a troll or both?
The vast majority of her baggage was created by people who wanted to give America their education in broadcasting, guy. In other words, more fake news, from 1992-onward.
I’ll take either label. You seem to be both.