Christ, Hamlet. I’m not insinuating anything. I’m flat out saying it was a killing. Type of killing is irrelevant at the moment. The issue is people taking glee in the death of another human being.
BTW, I did pay attention to the news. News report was that the military was taking fire from the house wherein those two were hiding.
There is no reason to reconsider the point. The point is: Is it right to take delight in the death of another?
Now, how about you filling out Otto’s “questionairre” above so we know where it’s okay to do so. At exactly what point in the scale does it become okay?
Aren’t you already ugly like an ape?
But seriously.
I take no pleasure in exterminating a nest of hornets that was hanging out over my door.
I’m glad we got them, but most emphatically not because they are Saddam’s kids.
If he knows, I’m sure his sense of loss and grief is as genuine as the sense of loss and grief he instilled in so many during his dictatorship, but I still don’t wish it upon him.
And, I don’t cackle upon the death of Uday and Qusay.
Airman Doors, I guess I’m afraid that in the years to come, they’ll be seen as martyrs, and that frightens me.
I’m glad they’re gone, good riddance to bad rubbish and all that. I just hope that they aren’t someday seen as heroes.
Yes, it is likely that “some” incidents were the result of Iranian efforts.
When you say “that it is not at all clear that Sadaam actually did gas the Kurds,” are you suggesting that all of the 300-500,000 dead Kurds are the result of Iranian military efforts, and that Saddam’s open and public campaign against the Kurds was so incompetant that he didn’t get any?
'cuz that’s what it sounds like.
Who’s kidding who? Saddam had an open genocidal program against the Kurds.
Actually, I’d prefer Mr. Hamlet, or Super-Intelligent Hamlet, Christ Hamlet just has a bit of a blasphemous ring to it.
I was just wondering why you used the phrase: “it’s wrong to execute somebody especially without a trial.” as if that was what was done in this case. Maybe I misread, but those are your words.
I also disagree that the type of death is irrelevant in determining the correctness of your reaction to a death. In the Pat Robertson thread, many posters took exception to a poster being glad that he had cancer, on the basis that it is a horrible disease that causes long-term pain. In the case of these two, the type of killing is certainly relevant because it was quite assuredly NOT an execution, but rather defense of American soldiers. They had requested that they come out peacefully, but Q and U chose to continue firing on American soldiers. Had they surrendered and AMerican troops simply lined them up and shot them in the head, it certainly would make a difference in determining the propriety of the reaction to their death.
And, my views on taking pleasure in their deaths have been posted above. You can reread it, and if you have any other questions, feel free to ask again.
Wait, are you inferring that it’s just “OK” to celebrate the death of the Saddam Husseins and Idi Amin, or that it’s mandatory? Your post doesn’t make that clear. Not that I’ll do it either way, because my personal sense of ethics won’t permit it. If that means I won’t get invited to as many dinner parties, I’ll understand. After all, I didn’t celebrate Thurmond’s, Hussein’s, or Amin’s death, which means I’d probably gaybash, murder and/or cannibalize your other guests, and who’d want a thing like that?
Ooh! Can I play? How about… a 21-year-old male who was killed in the attacks on the World Trade Center, but was also a registered Republican from South Carolina? Tough one, huh?
“And, my views on taking pleasure in their deaths have been posted above. You can reread it, and if you have any other questions, feel free to ask again.”
Ditto.
Monty and gobear each got it in one. Full points to each.
Airman Doors and Guin probably still don’t get it.
Sorry, man, I didn’t know I needed an interpreter.
lieu and hamlet, excellent posts, both of you.
Shodan, thank you for your attempt to return this thread to the sarcasm from whence it came from.
To all of you bleeding hearts, please get one thing straight. I LOVE HUMANITY. I love good people who do not try to take advantage of others or intentionally do harm. In my efforts to make this world a better place I have come to feel a deep personal sympathy for those who must suffer the torments of monsters like Idi Amin, Saddam, Odai and Qusai. It is not and never will be easy for me to sit in an armchair and read about the murder, enslavement and torture of undeserving human beings who want nothing more than to be let alone so as to get on with their lives. When it is brought to my attention that certain base individuals have made it a habit to cause more suffering than some plagues or famines, I tend to sit up and take notice.
I have neither the weapons nor finances to individually go after these sick bastards and settle their hash. What I do have is a functioning mind, some education and a Internet connected computer. I will use these weapons to the best of my ability and fight the good fight. I will use my mind to persuade people who are unaware of the evil men do to take notice of it. I will use my education to gain better insight as to why such things occur and how to prevent their repetition. I will use my computer to reach as many people as possible in order to communicate the precepts I hold.
One of these ideas is that evil must be stopped and preferably obliterated from the face of this earth. I have also found that feeling the least sympathy for those who voluntarily choose to be malignant and violent is a complete and utter waste of time. Individuals who have willingly selected a path of domination by force rarely will give it up unless threatened with death. Attempting to persuade such entities as to the error of their ways is incredibly unproductive. I find much greater reward and efficiency in helping the downtrodden to understand what power they have and how to direct it against those who would harm them.
However much Saddam may have diverted his sons’ attention towards evildoing and violence, at some point in their gory lives they most definitely had flashes of insight indicating that what they were doing was wrong. The cries of their victims and screams of the dying must have made it patently clear that their acts were at least questionable. They elected to ignore such pleas and all that followed was brought upon their heads by themselves alone. Once they passed that threshold of considering and then rejecting the wrongness of causing others to suffer, they became fully responsible for their misdeeds. Saddam no longer played any role, save as facilitator and pimp to their obscene lusts.
I am less than amused at those who claim that only the Iraqis who directly suffered at the hands of Saddam and his perverted sons are entitled to rejoice. My own heart has suffered to think of the abject misery and abasement that innocent people have had to endure. Yet, someone feels free to say that because of my relative comfort I do not have sufficient right to experience a similar glee in the demise of such villains? This is a gigantic crock of purest horseshit and a puerile attempt to divert attention from where it needs to be focused most.
The anger and horror people feel when confronted with the naked face of pure evil needs to be properly directed at its downfall. Wringing one’s hands and bewailing how sad it is that people have allowed themselves to become so badly misdirected is pretty much a waste of time. Ask any soldier who has been on the battlefield how much time they would spend trying to persuade the enemy to lay down their arms. Doing so merely gives your opponent more time to defeat you. Wherever you find evil it must be thwarted and given no quarter in the process. It’s overthrow shall always be cause for celebration and glee. Condemn me all you wish, I shall save my condemnation for those who torture and maim the innocent.
Airman Doors, USAF, may I have the next dance?
Sure. Strictly platonic, though.
Platonic? Is that a new kind of waltz? Or is it some new craze like The Macarena?
Heeeyyyyy… Do the Platonic
If I could dance, I would. I’m happy to hear these shit-stains have been wiped up. As for an explanation as to my opinion on this, Weirddave has already said it much more eloquintly than I ever could. Lets revisit his comments, shall we:
Right Said, Fred!
Even Hitler liked Ice Cream.
Okay, y’all’ve persuaded me (<==not really, but go along with this for a moment) that it’s okay to delight in removing someone who’s “a detriment to humanity.” Who gets to make the decision that someone falls into that category?
I do.
Regards,
Shodan
What would Jesus do?
(Somehow, I don’t think “whoopin’ it up in a celebratory glee” would be the answer)
I’ll second Weirddave’s post, Gato.
What would Jesus do? Not much really.
He’s been dead for nearly two whole millennia.
And it appears some are trying to kill his teaching.
Nah, he was more into breakdancing anyway.