[QUOTE=Kayeby]
How come my instinct should be to fold? Because someone might have 78? My poker instincts must be terrible then because my first thought would be “that’s a crap flop :mad: Oh well, at least there aren’t any face cards.”
[/quote]
Keep in mind that we haven’t really been talking about suits in these examples. If there is a straight draw on the table or a flush possibility, you can bet your ass with a flop like that, you are in jeopardy. Plus, they could have a pocket pair and made a set. You need to stop thinking about what your hand can beat (a common mistake) and start worrying about what possible hands beat you.
[QUOTE=Kayeby]
The 2 aggressive guys were big chip-leaders so pre-flop they’d raise big to push any callers out of the hand. I don’t know if they played with outright crappy hands but they’d raise with stuff like K9, Q5, 44, which I couldn’t afford to do with a smaller stack. In general they won’t often lay down hands - I’d say these two fold the least out of everyone - and they’ll keep betting until the river. It almost always works on me because I’m easily intimidated. With one of them I’m fairly sure that when he has a strong hand he’ll make enormous bets to try and fatten the pot (because he and the other aggressive guy like to bet into each other), when he is semi-bluffing he’ll make decent bets, and when he’s got nothing he’ll just check to the end. But then sometimes he makes enormous bets because he knows it scares the other opponent, so I don’t know how much help that is.
[/quote]
Well, look at that, you just got yourseolf a handful of reads off your opponents! This bit of information is invaluable to you, and should give you a line into what they are willing to do. You now know what chances you can take and when. I’ll explain in a second.
[QUOTE=Kayeby]
I don’t know if they played with outright crappy hands but they’d raise with stuff like K9, Q5, 44, which I couldn’t afford to do with a smaller stack.
[/quote]
The truth is, they can’t afford to do it either, as Texas Hold 'em is a game where one hand can break you.
[QUOTE=Kayeby]
There’s usually anywhere from 6-9 players. We start with 2000 in chips and the first small/big blind is 25/50. We increase it every time someone gets knocked out to 50/100, 100/200, 200/400. The level of our game is that many of us need to be reminded how much chips are worth and we just kind of think “hmm black chips are a serious bet, although not as scary as a blue chip”. No re-buys, winner takes all. Sometimes if we have 8 or 9 people second place will win a small amount.
[/QUOTE]
With blinds starting at 25/50 you should all be starting with 10,000 in chips (assuming you are playing tournament style–though I can’t be sure because your blinds are only going up when someone busts out. It sounds like a cash game/tournament hybrid) and the blinds go up from there every 15 to 20 minutes. with 2,000 in chips your blinds should start at 5/10. The blinds are too big for the amount of chips you are playing.
Even a professional sitting at the table with you guys can go broke because poker is a game of luck more than skill over the short run, but the longer the game goes on, the more skill factors in and a pro poker player after a handful of sessions would begin to destroy you every night. If you are going to be good at this game, you are going to have to pay attention to your opponents.
Knowing what you told me about these players, here is how I would play at your table:
-
Fold any hand pre-flop that I wasn’t on the big blind for, or where I didn’t make a pair of tens or better, or where I didn’t get suited connectors, or I didn’t get two suited cards where one of them was the ace.
-
If I have top pair with top kicker after the flop you and your buddies are going to see a lot of my chips hit the pot. (unless of course there is 3 to a flush or straight on the board that I don’t have, etc.)
-
If I get top two pair, then you are just going to have to take all of my money, because I am going to play very aggressive and I will put you all in if you play back at me (unless of course there is 3 to a flush or straight on the board that I don’t have, etc.)
-
If I got the nuts you will likely never see me check raise. It just gives too much information away about my hand, and it really causes an alert opponent to get scared. Check raising is no friend of yours (if they are already calling stations, why are you worried that you could scare them off the pot?). Calling stations are great in that they feel totally compelled to see every single hand all the way through, and usually the only calling stations that fold, will do so because another calling station is there to see the hand through and they get to see it anyway. If it is just you and a single calling station left in the hand, you’d be amazed at how hard it is for a calling station to not see that last card. It is actually painful for them to fold it. If I have the nuts, I’m going to bet reasonably and then when we get to the end, I’m putting you all in; it’s going to take all of your chips to see that last card.
That’s another thing, see about getting the buy-in moved up to at least ten dollars. That way people are more cautious about their betting. Since there is no re-buys, there is a tactic that you can use that is effective. You can beat up on the person that is short stacked against you. Going all in is not a huge deal to someone that you aren’t actually putting all in (meaning if they lose the hand, they still have chips because they had more chips than you at the start of the hand). But putting someone all in that could lose and then they are done for the night makes a person hesitate and think, which is halfway to folding. If I get top pair with top kicker after the flop against a person who is shorter stacked than I am, and everyone else is out of the hand, I’ll bet big on the flop, and if I’m still looking good on the turn, I’m going to put them all in. That is one of the best ways to get someone to fold a hand after they have put a lot into the pot.