No, you do not.
Edited-sorry, I missed your last post. IF a pregnancy is wanted, and IF a woman has to end one for reasons of health or because her life is in danger, of course she would. But blanket statements like the one above are WRONG.
And let me ask-do you believe a woman should still not have an abortion if her health or life is in danger? 3cushion, having had several alcoholics in my family, yes, they may have born responsibility. HOWEVER, an addict almost always needs counseling to quit-it is rare to be able to stop on his or her own.
Yes it was. Nowhere in the original post did I bring up the morality of abortion itself. I only questioned whether a particular group of individuals would adjust their thinking within the parameters indicated.
Again, your point is granted. People with a prediliction for destructive behavior do indeed require help. I do not think that removing responsibility from them by implying that they have no choice is helping them. Those people who make the most progress dealing with alcoholism, gambling, etc are those who take some measure of responsibility for their behavior and make sincere efforts to alter their behavior accordingly. It is a matter of will. Sadly, not everyone has the will…if they did we would not be having this dialog.
Thanks. I appologize if I over-reacted. FWIW, my godmother, my favorite aunt, died after years of alcohol abuse. What’s really sick to me is that it was RIGHT after she had just started AA. She was really doing well, and making progress-then she got sick, and because she was still so ill from all the years of abuse…so it’s kind of a soft spot for me. (What drove her to it was my uncle kicked her out finally one night, she ended up going to my grandparents house, and my grandmother basically told her she had to either get help, or get out.)
And then my grandmother’s sister is a recovering alcoholic as well-she in fact, helped my aunt out-Gramma’s Sis (well, my great-aunt). She’s still doing AA, working as a counselor and all that.
So, forgive me if I tend to be defensive about this. You DO have to have the will-but you also have to admit-hey, I do need help-I don’t have control over my drinking. That’s why most addiction programs promote going permantly dry. Because often, you DON’T have control to have “just one.”
Your approved diseases such as cancer and diabetes in a number of cases could have been prevented by behavioral control.
Recovering alcoholics who have taken responsibility for themselves by abstinence know full well that they are still alcoholics. The have a medical condition that prevents them from consuming alcohol safely.
You’re right. Many dibilitating medical conditions can be prevented by proper behavior. That includes drinking. If you know you have such a condition it is your responsibility to act accordingly, not blame the condition. “I can’t drink because of medical concerns” is a far cry from “I drink because I’m an alcoholic and can’t control it”. The first indicates responsibility, the second implies a victim-status mentality.
No offense, but that shows a lack of knowledge of alcoholism. Most alcoholics won’t admit they have a problem. “Oh, I can stop any time I want, I don’t have a problem!” Very, VERY few of them will say that they CAN’T control themselves, and then claim that’s why they drink. Most alcoholics are in denial.
You’re more likely to hear, from a RECOVERING alcoholic, “I CAN’T drink because I’m an alcoholic and can’t control it.” In other words, I have a problem, and I know I cannot control my drinking once I start, therefore, I won’t drink at all.
What this has to do with gay fetuses, I have no idea.
Never any offense taken in a civilized discussion. I said “If you know you have a problem…” That eliminates those in denial. Many people with behavioral issues of this nature are in denial. My point was that for OTHERS to blame the problem on something other than behavior wasn’t helping the one with the problem…in denial or not.
The first thing God told mankind is be fruitful and multiply, besides don’t eat of the fruit of a certain tree, this is the only commandant of God in the unfallen world. It is what we are made to do to honor Him and our joy will be made complete in that. There is no way in heaven or earth that abortion is not always regretted.
This is a decision she would have to make, but it should be in full knowledge that this is a person, her child, that’s life will be sacrificed for her life. The child, if impossible to save, IMHO should be given the respect due any person, including a funeral and death certificate, not tossed away like trash.
I do get concerned when a person starts such a claim citing worldly sources instead of from God, mostly it’s a dead giveaway that the information is wrong IMHO.
I had to look at several versions to find a living ‘soul’ instead of ‘living being’. If a soul is always living then saying a living soul would be redundant. I take it as a living soul as in a soul with the breath (spirit) of life in it.
But the word spirit is use separately in hebrew and greek, actually 4 verses use soul and spirit together, all indicate that they are 2 different things, one states they can be divided.
Here they are talking about spirit and use the word ‘ruwach’ instead of the word for soul ‘nephesh’.
This was not breath (spirit), but the soul departed the body, the Lord brought him back. This is how I understand how a person is drawn into his body in the womb, not by spirit (breath) but by attracting the soul through Love. Elijah didn’t breath into this boy, but put himself in physical contact with him to draw his soul back.
The greek text also has 2 words, one for spirit and one for soul, spirit can be taken while the soul remains.
No life except the bones are able to speak.
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The quickening is the period you are referring to, which seems to be the period when the child ‘gets into’ the body from the hidden places underground or finds the controls and flips the on switch. My understanding is that there is no real beginning, but this soul is part of the father’s soul, except back to Adam then God. When was Eve created, when she was ‘taken out of the man’, or when God created Adam she was already there?
The thing is, “worldly” sources can be quoted. Citing God is going totally on a set of beliefs that many of us DON’T SHARE. You have no right to expect us to live by them, any more than we have the right to expect you to ignore them.
I understand what you are saying, but the simple fact is this is not how God works. You never see King David say let me go the the royal library and research this issue, He consults the Lord. The one time He didn’t do this (taking a census of his army’s strength) The Lord and Satan came down on him.
God states seek Him, put no faith in man.
These are the instructions God gives us, at a point of my life I decided I’m going to follow Him, and He has proven Himself to me.
