About sexuality, insprd by “Poll:Dopers quantify your sexuality please”

Regarding this thread:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=153120&perpage=50&pagenumber=1#

I don’t know how to put what I’m about to say into words, so try to bare with me.

Some of the contributing parties listed their gender/rating, and then explain why they rated themselves the way they did. Some of these people, judging from their short explanations, I would rate just a LITTLE higher than how they rate themselves. However, I understand that I do NOT know --anywhere NEAR-- every factor that comes into play when they rate themselves. I know I am not them, and have no idea what they take into account.

Perhaps they had certain feelings that faded in time. Perhaps they tried homosexual acts and didn’t get grossed out by it, but weren’t at all “pleasured” by it either. Maybe I read their what they were trying to say wrong. Or, Perhaps everyone has their own unique take on SEX, and their perception on homosexuality shouldn’t compare to my take on it. It could be all of these things. When I say I would rate them a ‘little higher’, I mean I would as 1 or 0.5. Nothing drastic. To me, it’s interesting, that even though I would only add on a half a point or a point. I DO NOT mean to offend anyone, and question their judgment on THEIR OWN sexuality. In fact, if anything it makes me question my opinions on sexuality.

Here’s a question inspired by the thread:

Is it at all possible that a female may be inclined to generally rate themselves a little lower because, (IMHO), a female’s attraction to another female might be a little bit more “normalized” than a males attraction to another man? When I say “normalized”, I mean displayed more often in many different forms of art and entertainment. Not to mention, (also IMHO), females in general are often perceived as beings of beauty, where men, for the most part, aren’t.

I wrote out a more ‘in depth’ explanation. It was sort of getting lengthy and had little to do with the “Poll: Dopers quantify your sexuality please” thread. So I left out. I might just whip it out to explain myself a little more. On thing I did want to make clear is that I’m not implying that female homosexuality gets 'BETTER" press than male homosexuality. I know some people who HATE how females who are attracted to other females are often portrayed in the media. It’s often used to increase viewers. It’s often made to look sexy, and not loving… or serious. In the real world, a F/F sexual relationship is often just about being ‘kinky’, or ‘sexy’. Of course, that’s also often NOT the case. If film makers and television writers didn’t have lesbian relationships in their stories to increase their audience, I think you would see a lot more M/M relationships as well.

I also would like to add that I personally don’t think people look at females as being more beautiful, or more pleasing to look at, because they necessarily ARE more appealing to the eye. I think we are just brought up in a world that happens to see women that way, but we are sort of ‘taught’ to. That’s IMHO.

I created this thread to get other opinions on the subject. I REALLY am open to other peoples thoughts. If anything I said was a little offensive or ignorant, please, for my sake, tell me you take on it.

Sorry about how crude the writing is… I did a lot of cutting a pasting

Your comments raise some issues that are really very important, and which run to the essence of why these various “scales” and “polls” are more trouble than help.

It does indeed “seem” to be the case that (1) women are allowed to express affection and intimacy toward other women through actions that are NOT assumed to be “homosexual” when engaged in by women, but ARE when engaged in by two men; which leads to (2) women being less likely tha men to interpret their associated feelings as specifically “homosexual.”

One interesting implication: when people rate themselves on where they fit-in on a heterosexual-homosexual scale, not only do women “underestimate” whatever degree of homosexual responsiveness they might have, BUT ALSO men probably overestimate same.

I’m not saying that many self-described gay men aren’t “really gay.” But the mid-level categories may be a lot more “blurry” than we thought.

As far as I’m concerned, the real issue isn’t sex, as such, but the larger amatory/erotic emotional response that we call “love”–the kind of love that one “falls in.”

No matter how much “sex” a man has with men, I don’t think a man is really gay if he is unable to fall in love with another man.

I’ve said before that I find the Kinsey scale (and similar devices) overly simplistic - it’s almost like one of those dumb magazine articles - “if your front door is painted red, then you have a fiery temper and will not tolerate fools gladly, however if your front door is painted green, you are a calm and reasonable person”

I am unable to place myself anywhere in the Kinsey scale - not, as you might humorously imagine, that I am trying to say that I am soooooo heterosexual that I’m off the bottom end of the scale or anything like that, it’s just that I feel that my sexuality isn’t something I can dissect cleanly out of all other contexts in order to examine it - I’d probably need a dozen ‘scales’ to even start to adequately quantify it, if it is possible to do that at all.

I agree with you, Mangetout. Usually when asked to place myself on the Kinsey scale, I give the answer 0+5i. (It even means something, despite being a completely whimsical answer. :wink: ) When I’m working with my own system of quantifying sexuality, I have eight axes, which is about as simple as I can get it and not feel I’m missing something important.

I think that most people are really 2-4.

Our cultures accepts female/female homosexuality more than it accepts male/male.

Part of this is based on gender roles. It is more acceptable for a girl to be a tomboy than for a boy to be a “sissy.” A lot of americans seem to equate gay males = feminine. Because of this, homosexuality is discourged in males and I think a lot of men rate themselves as lower than they really are.

I think that if our culture was more accepting of homosexuality, then you would find the majority of people in the middle range.