I’m sorry, but right now we’re in the middle of a crisis. I think we should all stand behind Mr. Kenndy until such a time that we’re not in the middle of this crisis.
-Joe
Hmmm…more the Cromwells. But with just the fanaticisim, not the inspiration. Not that I would call that a compliment anyway.
Which ideological glasses are they? I dislike both parties. And I didn’t “See things that aren’t there”, 2 of the first 3 replies to the OP were from posters defending Kennedy’s actions by introducing the straw man of a “But the left does it too” defense from the right.
A hostess at an area bar says he was drinking in the “hours” before.
Whether that’s two hours or six hours before I don’t know. My issue is that the police were waved off from doing an investigation the rest of us unwashed would have been subject to, and I’d like to know why.
Interesting. I suspect that more to the story will come out before we’re done. Even though the police did something unprofessional, that doesn’t end the investigation. Perhaps we’ll find out who decided to give him a pass, and how that decision was reached. Did Kennedy place any calls, for example?
Daniel
I wonder why he’s so quick to go to rehab if it was just a side effect of Ambien?
Also on You can read about the capitol police probe relating to the handling of the crash.
Oh well, at least he didn’t shoot anyone in the face :eek:
Huh, interesting.
I haven’t read that deeply into the Ambien literature - I wonder if alcohol reacts poorly with the medication.
(Not that I’m denying he might’ve been plain old drinking-and-driving, just that it’d be a potential interaction.)
Political back-biting aside, and forget his name or occupation, but isn’t it still possible to get a DUI from being under only the influence of legal prescription medication? Does alcohol have to be figured into the mix for it to be a DUI?
I think DUI means driving under the influence of anything that might impair your ability to safely operate a motor vehicle.
IANAL, however.
Well, it is Driving Under the Influence, not Driving While Liquored up.
However, being a prescription med would be a mitigating factor.
Then again, I know one starlet who got a $500 fine and 5 days in jail for her 3rd DUI so you never know.
I have a hard time believing a Kennedy (or Bush) would ever do actual time barring a multiple murder on live TV.
-Joe
Well, the sarcasm meter’s going off, but it’s not really working for me because I can’t fathom what you’re actually trying to say here. Because he’s a Kennedy we should immediately crucify him, even if it’s merely a case of completely disorientation resulting from the legal use of Ambien? (*)
(*) Not saying that’s the case. Catsix and Ivylass have introduced contrary evidence. Weirddave, on the other hand, seemed content to bizarrely respond to a well-reasoned post with a lame-ass, knee-jerk, bullshit accusation of partisan hackery on Shayna’s part. It was weak. I called him on it.
At least he’s getting help, instead of just sticking to 'the Ambien and Phenergan made me do it".
Seems likely that Ambien in particular will be used as a potential get-out-of-jail-free card in a variety of crimes.
“I didn’t realize I was strangling her - I just took an Ambien and next thing you know, I’m in this here prison cell.” :rolleyes:
By the way Shayna, next time you reproduce a quote make it a complete one. As in, “he said he drove”, not just “he drove”. :dubious:
After all, it could have been Colin Powell in that fender bender:
http://www.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/2003/26028.htm
I doubt Kennedy will be that last politician, of any stripe to wind up in trouble with sleeping pills.
Sorry, just borrowing pages from the playbooks of the likes of **Weirddave/b] and those he fanatically supports.
The lines I was reciting can be found in a good many of Scott McClellan’s press conferences. Or at least the fun ones.
-Joe
Thanks, the anecdote about the starlet was just the thing I was trying to avoid, that’s why I put the bit in there about forgetting his name and occupation.
The point was, it appears he was impaired, yet some seem to be fine with that since there was no test for or evidence of “evil alcohol”. You can be too fucked up to drive and not be drunk (we are in agreement here).
Alcohol is such an bogeyman these days, I just wanted to point out that it’s not the only bogeyman out there.
I can tell you that some medications can seriously fuck you up. You may know that taking it will affect you, and try to take precautions, but then you take it and when you wake up you realize you’ve spent $200 on Ebay with no memory of what you bought.
Ok, “He said he drove to the Capitol from his nearby home around 2:45 a.m…” Happy now? So please explain to me how that translates to “he knew what he was doing as he was doing it” and not just relating the obvious fact that “he drove to the Capitol from his nearby home around 2:45 a.m.,” which we all know to be a simple, basic truth about the incident. Thanks.
And if I were taking such addictive drugs as he is, and found that I’d had one of the severe adverse reactions known to occur, and didn’t feel I could simply stop taking it cold turkey, I’d check my ass into rehab, too. It’s the only responsible thing to do. Good on him. That still doesn’t negate the real possibility that the Ambien really did make him do it, as it has so many other people.
Sleepers like Ambien and anti-nauseants like phenergan are not real good ideas for recovering alcoholics and addicts, frankly. IMNSHO. Zofran is a good choice for many recovering folks who have nausea issues (from chemotherapy or other things), and frankly if one is in recovery, they should really probably avoid sleepers completely.
And relapse sucks.
It was clearly a commentary on the common Bushite response to all expressions of doubt in his judgment and leadership.