According to tarpal white culture's better than black culture. Thank you, massuh!

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In this thread about Elizabeth Smart’s media coverage, tarpal precedes to spew his ignorant bile with this gem:

If you’re going to user the term black-on-black crime, please start using the term white-on-white crime. Statistics show when a white person is killed, most likely they were killed by another white person. White on white crime DOES dominate the news.

Why don’t you turn off MTV for a while and join us in the real world. What you see and hear in rap videos does NOT reflect real life.

Please explain to me how the ‘white culture’ respects life when it practically wiped out the people who lived in North America in the name of ‘progress’ and enslaved those they felt were inferior to them? Please tell me how the culture of which you so adoringly speak respects property when two members of your culture blew up an occupied federal building in Oklahoma during business hours? Please tell me how your culture respects women when a white woman is more likely to be raped by a white male then not? Please tell me how your culture promotes social and personal responsibilities when scandals Enron, Watergate, the Teapot Dome and Worldcom exist? I’d continue, but I think you get my point.

My point is when you start labeling an entire race based on the acts of some individuals, it doesn’t look good for anyone.

You’re a racist. I don’t use that term lightly but that’s what you are. I’m sure that nothing here is going to change your mind but don’t you dare deny what you are.

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Here’s a link to the thread, by the way.

Sigh.

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I’m aghast at someone claiming that black culture doesn’t promote and respect family. Despite what the media would like you to believe, it’s my considered opinion from years of observation that black culture, on the whole, is light-years beyond white culture in terms of promoting family. Especially extended family and intergenerational respect.

Any pathologies which the person in the linked thread to ascribes to “black culture” are more likely a function of poverty, and if he cared to take his head out of his ass, he would find those behaviors just as prevalent among whites and other groups at the same socioeconomic level.

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Thanks, pl. I really wanted to talk about socio-economic factors but I couldn’t see straight.

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Hey, he may be eating Miracle Whip straight out of the jar while he watches Jerry Springer, but at least he’s better than those black folk. They got no culture!

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Rants like Tarpal’s pop up on the web periodically, not unlike mold in a wet basement. They’re easy enough to shoot down on a factual basis.

White Americans commit violent crimes at a much higher rate than their cousins in Britain and Germany, and commit violent crimes at several times the rate of the Japanese. To be blunt about it, white Americans are among the least law abiding people in the industrialized world. Vast inequalities of wealth, distrust and or contempt for government, excessive individualism, the outlaw heritage of a county born in revolution, easy access to cheap guns and the inclination to use them, who’s to say why. The fact remains that your average white American is much more likely to rob, rape, or kill than your average Swiss or Dane. So what we have is an American problem, rather than a black or white one.

Now Tarpal’s just plain kooky when he talks about rap music. Rap music is just a small part of black music in general, and rap music is more than just gangster rap. Black music is one of America’s most successful imports. It’ s one part of black culture that’s been embraced by the whole world.

Gangster rap took off because millions of white guys bought into it, seeing the the mythical urban wasteland as a modern day version of the old West. Suburban white guys could play at being outlaw gangbangers just like their parents could play at being cowboys and Indians (talk about a culture that promotes violence). Bang bang, we’re all dead. In the past decade, it’s mostly white guys who’ve marched into their schools and workplaces blew away their associates.

Personal responsibility is a great thing. Just ask the Japanese. When one of their business or political leaders fails, he apoligizes and resigns. When an American leader, black or white, fails, he lies about it, and tries to shift the blame. Look at the Catholic church, the executives at Enron, Worldcom, Arthur Andersen, the Bush family, the Kennedy family. Get into trouble, blame somebody else. Blame the blacks, the Jews, the liberal elite, gays, the Japanese, the Russians. Black problem? No. American problem.

Thomas Jefferson. George Mason. Lester Maddox. Strom Thurmond. Jesse Helms. What do all these (white) leaders have in common? They all fathered illegitimate children with black women. When it comes to weak family values between black folks and white folks, it’s pot, meet kettle. Asian Americans do a better job than either one of us at keeping their families together.

Didn’t intend for this to be a white bashing thread. After all, black folks have these same problems, made worse by higher levels of poverty and social isolation, and lower levels of education. The point is that these are American problems. It does no good to pretend that everything is wrong with black America, and everything is right with white America.

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Great post!

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Hrm, I’m headed to google … but wondering if you had a cite for Helms and Thurmond. Not that I don’t believe it, just interested to learn more. Thanks.

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I agree with the OP, I’m just honestly curious what “white culture” is, exactly.

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This.

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WOW! BelowJob, you RULE!

I agree with you for the most part. Just wanted to say that. :smiley:

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Sam, I don’t know what white culture is. I also don’t know what black culture is. I was using tarpal’s words.

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I’m curious; what the FUCK is “white culture”? You seem to have some idea about what it does or doesn’t promote, so would you mind telling us what it is? Do you mean Italian culture? Or do you mean Swedish culture? Or do you mean the culture of California whites, or New York City whites, or Alaskan whites? Canadian whites - Quebecois, Maritimer, Westerner, or Ontarian? How about Spaniards? Russians? Finns? Serbs? Scots? Which clan?

And what’s this “Black” culture you speak of? Black American? Zulu? Nigerian? Eritrian? Dominican? British blacks? Or Haitian?

It’s MY considered opinion that anything attributed to “black culture” or “white culture” is bullshit, because those terms mean nothing.

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“No, we haven’t noticed any side effects from living under the high power lines. Why do you ask?”

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well, i’ll rain on the parade and ask for a cite re Jesse Helms’/Strom Thurmond’s illegitimate black children.

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Well, strictly speaking those children would be biracial, not black. For another thread.

The written source for the Helms story is <i>Hard Right</i>, the unauthorized biography of Helms, now out of print. The writer, Ernest Ferguson, reports the story of the illegitimate daughter as a plausible rumor. He couldn’t report it as fact because he had no access to records of a paternity test, if such a test had been done. The story has also been mentioned in several newspaper articles over the years. Neither the mother nor the daughter have seen fit to go public. In Helms’ defense, he did pay for the young woman’s college education, and by all accounts has discharged his financial responsibilities. I accept the story as fact, based on conversations with people who knew the young woman in question.

The Thurmond story has been reported as rumor in various newspapers over the years as well. Thurmond came of age at a time when it was common for well to do white Southerners to have black mistresses. The unwritten rule was that illegitimate children resulting from such liasons should not be acknowledged or discussed. Again, unless the parties involved choose to go public, definitive proof is not available. Everyone involved is either elderly or deceased, and even the child in question is middle aged, so they will probably keep their secrets.

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I don’t know whether it’s true, but a quick search turned up this review of a book discussing the issue with regard to Thurmond:

(Free registration is required to view the page, or just use the Google cache.)

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I don’t have any arguments against the general opinions or sentiments of this thread…

*…But… *

Don’t beat my fucking history into the shape of an Edsel just so you can drive it to the goddamned point.

There are better ways to present disputed theories than as accepted fact, especially here where a lot of people have a low tolerance for crap. You made a fine point without having to drag a couple of asshole Republicans through the one mud puddle they might not have actually slithered through, Belowjob. But since you did, my bullshit meter is redlining and I’m a lot less interested in what you said than I am in Thomas Jefferson’s mitochondrial DNA.

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RickJay, calm the fuck down. I don’t come down to where you work and slap the dick out of your mouth.

It’s patently obvious that I meant “Quebecois” and “Zulu,” rather than “black American” and “white American,” isn’t it?

Hey, monstro, are you reading this thread? Any such thing in America as “black culture”?

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Oh, BTW, Belowjob, last time I looked, the Catholic Church was headquartered in the Vatican, which I guess would make that an Italian problem rather than an American problem. And you may want to look into a company called Elf-Aquitaine, too.