Let’s mention something here: I remarked on the Nevada investigation in this ACORN thread. In it there was a divide developing between those posters who thought ACORN had become lax in its procedures (I was in this camp - this was about as far as I went in my criticisms) and a bunch of wackjobs like Diogenes, gonzomax and elucidator who either were in complete denial or were reduced to muttering nonsense because one of their oxen had been gored.
This particular piece of news isn’t going to sway Diogenes, and while normal people could take it in context in the general ACORN discussion, this does not make much of a difference either in general opinion or in the grand scheme of things now. If something were to come up later concerning an ACORN officer this information would be highly relevant. It just seems like a footnote now.
I wouldn’t have started a thread about it. Some things you have to just let go. Bricker might win this little tournament, but I doubt it. His only opponents are intellectual windmills.
I’ll read the cites, see if they support my position, and crow loudly if they do.
If they don’t, I’ll obfuscate, change the meaning of what I was saying and claim that’s what I meant all along, reinvent my own peculiar meanings for common English words and act indignant when you claim alternate meanings exist, and refuse to be swayed by anything you post.
For a few pages. Then you might step back in self-reflection and offer a partial acknowledgement as to your being in error. Typically, only after we’ve gotten to the other side of the knothole.
I have eleven years worth of output on this board and SDSAB articles relating to criminal law issues. There are plenty of other attorneys here who can have had eleven years to assess the accuracy of what I’ve written.
Is it really plausible that this output could be offered up by someone who didn’t practice criminal law?
This is the equivalent of saying “‘O.J. Simpson did absolutely nothing wrong’ no longer true” and then linking to a story about him getting a speeding ticket.
Yes, and if someone had monomaniacally insisted that OJ had never broken a single law, that speeding ticket story would be a relevant rebuttal, wouldn’t it?
ACORN was legally required to submit the registration forms they received. The person that filled them out committed voter registration fraud, not ACORN. If ACORN had refused to submit them that would have been illegal (but not wrong).
Also note, this isn’t even close to voter fraud, which would be if some how ACORN went as Tony Ramano and voted [D] 100 times.
The crime ACORN admitted to was paying people improperly for voter registration. Note that it’s okay to pay people for voter registration, but not the way ACORN did it. Also note that it has nothing to do with fraudulent registration forms. If all the forms had been correct the act of paying per form was a violation of state law.
Note also that several states allow paying per registration. That’s where the line gets blurry, it’s Nevada law that says you can’t pay people that way.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it pretty typical for a national company/organization to have a standard policy that they later find isn’t allowed in a particular jurisdiction. The result being that they plead guilty and pay the fine?
Fedex might have a policy to always park on the same side of the street so as not to cross traffic, seems some what reasonable. Then they find out in Minnesota you can’t park there the second day after a snow storm.
Which reminds me, I plead guilty to parking on the wrong side of the street, so don’t let anyone say, “Emacknight did absolutely nothing wrong.”
I don’t know how Bricker will respond. You will simply repeat yourself.
Look, everybody who wasn’t a complete partisan moron has known for years that ACORN is an organization who is willing to break the law and commit morally reprehensible acts for the partisan advantage of the left wing. it’s obvious. It was obvious when they got caught covering up bribery, it was obvious when they got caught assisting pimps, it was obvious when they got caught committing registration fraud, it is obvious now that they have been convicted as a group.
What is equally obvious is the fact that you, and a lot of other people, are simply not capable of debate in good faith. You know all that stuff about how you and the Usual Suspects occupy the moral high ground, and your positions are always fact-based, and how you are really committed to justice and fair-mindedness?
It’s lies. You don’t really believe anything like that.
Now you can certainly deny it, and you will, over and over. The thing is, that doesn’t change anything. It’s still true.
Just to tie this hypothetical in with the original: If OJ was driving from California into Nevada going 65mph, and a cop pulls him over and says, “it’s 55 on this side of the line.” OJ did in fact violate Nevada law.
So why would anyone go through the trouble of bringing up a speeding ticket in a murder trial?
Isn’t this a logical fallacy? Trying to attack an obvious hyperbole with a completely minor and unrelated fact?
If OJ was on trial for reckless endangerment and vehicular manslaughter driving violations might seem some what relevant.
Furthermore, if at the trial OJ had yet to plead guilty to the speeding violation, it makes you look like a douche to bring it up before before it’s settled. At the time OJ had yet to be guilty of a speeding violation. Now you’re going to back after the fact to say, “ah HA, you were wrong back then because now he plead guilty.”
Well, then, since you think wrong==illegal, then I guess the next time you say abortion is wrong, we can point out that you are lying.
Nobody with a functioning brain thinks “wrong” means “illegal.” Everyone but you knew what Dio was saying. I do tons of illegal stuff nearly every day, but I do nothing wrong. (I use NO CD Hacks, if you must know. The DMCA makes those illegal.)
I’ll say it, too. “ACORN did nothing wrong.” Seeing as you admit you posted this thread to stir up liberals (in GD where that isn’t allowed), and I happen to believe it’s true, I can do the same to you.
It’s not against the rules of the pit, so it isn’t wrong.
On preview: Shut the hell up Shodan. Bricker is the one debating dishonestly, claiming words mean one thing when they mean another. And again, he created a fucking troll thread. He started the whole thing dishonestly, putting a poorly disguise pit thread into GD. Again, this is objectively true because the mods, the lawmakers of this board, say it was a Pit thread.
A mediamatters article specifically about the “Mickey Mouse” registration:
Most every state has these laws, and I could find every single relevant one, if you insist. If you can find a state which does not have this requirement, and where ACORN still knowingly submitted fraudulent forms, then you’d have something.
As it stands, I have cited that both the specific state of Nevada, where you are currently alleging ACORN submitted fraudulent forms and the state of Florida - the sate of the infamous “Mickey Mouse” registration, both legally require that third party registration organizations turn in all registrations, no matter what, or face fines.
ACORN did the only thing they could legally do, which was to flag the suspcious registrations and submit them as were.
Technically speaking, no one can say, “ACORN Pleads Guilty to Voter Registration Fraud in Nevada” either because that still isn’t true. Sad that you linked to a Fox News site that says just that.
“The defunct political advocacy group ACORN has pleaded guilty to one count of an election law violation in Las Vegas, Nevada.”
Not voter fraud, not voter registration fraud, not child prostitution, and not conspiracy to commit mortgage fraud.