What the Hell do you call Zyklon B Mr Spicer? Fuck you and channeling Bannon.
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The Germans are not known to have made battlefield use of chemical weapons.
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Context? What did Bannon say, in what context?
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“Chemical weapons” usually refers to the Geneva convention, so mustard gas and similar that was used in WWI. The Wehrmacht (German Army) didn’t use it against the official soldiers of the countries they were at war with.
Partly usually attributed because Hitler experienced the Terror of Gas attack himself during WWI, and partly because most of the Generals and high-rankers in the Army knew from WWI how quickly the wind could turn (literally and figurativly) and that the return from the Allies would probably be worse for their own soldiers.
Did the Nazis use Zyklon B against People in the concentration camps? Yes, without doubt. But These were their own civilians, or civilians from conquered nations (polish Jews, People living in Exile in France when it fell…) not active enemy soldiers.
Did the Wehrmacht Experiment with chemicals and give amphethamines to their own soldiers to enable partly the Speed of Blitzkrieg, first without knowing, then without caring, about the aftereffects of the Crash and the addiction? From the evidence known today, yes, but that doesn’t Count as chemical weapon against enemy soldiers.
Never Mind - constanze nailed it.
So we all acknowledge that both dictators used nerve gas on civilians, the distinction being that Assad theoretically allowed his victims to try to run away.
You posters trying to cover for Spicer trying to make this obscene distinction are missing the point: the degree to which Trump’s people will say fucking anything to try to make their point is disgraceful. The fact that a White House spokesman will Godwinize his own press briefing, and still fuck it up, is a hideous embarrassment.
What about the use of gas against the Russians holed up in the tunnels of Adzhimuskai?
Did Sean Spicer just call concentration camps “Holocaust centers”? What the Jesus…?
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I still don’t know the context of what Bannon said about Hitler.
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Anybody using Hitler as excuse on technical Details is by non-Extremist People usually considered to have disqualified themselves.
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Non-Extremist People agree that the Nazis were bad for many reasons; using Nerve Gas was one the reasons.
Using Nerve Gas is not wrong because the Nazis did it, it’s wrong in General, no matter who does it.
Assad using Nerve Gas is wrong. Trump using the latest of many attacks as justification for bombing is however also wrong, because there is no plan at all (if Assad would topple).
The time to bomb and stop Assad from killing and torturing his Population would have been 6 years ago when the civil war started, and the moderate Opposition was still strong- but even then experts warned that (similar to Libya) a faction of many different Opposition Groups was no guarantee of a working state after the overthrow, and as both Iraq and Libya had shown at that Point, a failed state is at least as bad for the civilians as an oppressive dictator.
Today, however, not only have millions of civilians fled, thousands of People died, thousands been enslaved by ISIS, and thousands of moderate rebels been killed by ISIS and Al-Quaeda joing the fight, making the Chance of a working non-dictatorship after the overthrow of Assad very unlikely. The civilians would be off worse under ISIS than under Assad, as bad as he is. (Evil, but lesser evil)
Godwin’s Law is not a disqualifier. It’s simply an Observation, and in many instances, comparision to what tactics were used by populists to gain power through the back door or used Salami tactics to push through legislation are relevant to the discussion.
They may need Kelly Anne Goebbels to spin this one for them.
But Spicer’s figure of speech is about as graceful as United’s method of ensuring its air crews make it to work. Hey, Hitler only used gas in the death camps!
(I remember JFK’s press conferences. He was the first President to have them broadcast–and he did them quite often, since he was telegenic & quick witted. The press corps would gather in a crowd, yelling questions & he’d answer with a smile. Of course Trump is utterly unable to communicate at that level. But why can’t he* hire* someone capable of communication?)
Maybe he can get Melissa McCarthy to do it.
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I think when you come to sarin gas, [Hitler] was not using the gas on his own people the same way that Assad is doing, there was not in the — he brought them into the Holocaust center. … But I’m saying that in the way that Assad used them, where he went into towns, dropped them down into innocent — into the middle of towns.
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Spicer’s “oh shit” moment on the bolded word, where he realized he was about to blow the dog whistle a little too loud.
Does Sean Spicer not know about concentration camps and death camps? What the hell are “Holocaust centers”?
There ought to be an Internet law that when discussing a straightforward topic, the use of too many words can only be attributed to:
- Total bullshit, or
- Distinctions that nobody cares about.
I think you’re in the second category, but I’m zoning out while reading your posts.
Spicer needs to be reaccommodated.
Flushed down the accomode.
How often did he use that phrase? If he only said it once I would accept incompetence – after all he is a spokesperson, but to be fair I think that some of the concentration/death camps today are the eastern European equivalent of “Holocaust centers” here in America in that they have interpretive information about what happened there. Now, if he consistently used that term, then he either truly doesn’t know what they were called or is spinning for some reason.
At least he didn’t say it on Passover.
I was thinking it sounded like what’s there now in many cases - educational / historical centers on the location of the concentration camps. I only saw him say it the one time- possibly just fumbling for “what’s it called again, …those places where so many people died…um, Holocaust Centers…”