Adoption: Why say Mom and Dad?

Don’t forget to also tell them that there’s nothing wrong with being an orphan!

I was telling my husband about this thread, and he had an idea. He said, why not have the kids wear a scarlet A, and that way, everyone will know the true relationship between the adopter and the child? He thought that seemed like the most logical way to handle it. Of course, he took the wild risk of marrying me and having children with me, without knowing my genetic background, so he’s clearly a lunatic and probably not to be trusted.

ZPG, I am having a lot of trouble taking your questions and your point of view seriously when you have refused to try to explain or defend it in any way. I beg you, please tell me why it’s anyone else’s business whether a parent and child have a blood relationship or not, or why anyone should care. Maybe it seems to you like the answer to that is obvious, and we are the ones playing dumb, but I swear to you that we are all in the dark about it.

I know it’s sort of a stretch to think you can diagnose someone over the internet like this, but it sounds to me from some of your posts as though you have some kind of attachment disorder. Do you think your relationship with your own birth mother might have caused something like that?

The mind boggles that the OP actually thinks this is a normal way of responding to an adopted kid. I can’t even fathom thinking of an adopted child as an “orphan.”

I mean, I get that not everyone who raises a kid who isn’t theirs feels they are their parent. ZPG Zealot–you raised your brother and you don’t think of him as a son, and that’s fine. But other people feel differently. My grandfather had two half sisters from his father’s second marriage and when their parents died they came to live with my grandparents (and their three bio kids). And they just thought of them as their kids. There’s no right answer.

Apart from your ludicrous “people of certain religions might be offended” scenario, why does there need to be a distinction between adopted and bio kids? I’m not advocating NOT telling kids they were adopted, but I don’t advocate treating them differently. A child is a child. Why does it matter that this child was adopted and that this child was gestated by the same woman raising him?

She obviously has a problem with parents in general, and likes to hold up her own situation as some sort of Platonic ideal.

I don’t much care what the Zealot thinks about adoption or what comes of it. Adoption is a complicated situation. But I just wanted to reiterate, that adopted kids need someone to call Mom and Dad. Maybe not all of them, but it’s very hard when you find out and it seems like everyone else around you has their own parents and you’re the only one who wasn’t loved enough by your parents. I know that that’s not the case, that it happens a lot - now. At 14? Not so much.

Dealing with a myriad of other issues already, adoptive children don’t need to added reminder every minute that they are “other”.

One thing I like to explain to people when they have questions about adoption is that it really isn’t a big deal at all, unless you make it one, and there’s no reason to make it one. I have talked more about being adopted here on the SDMB than I have ever in my whole life, because here it comes up as a topic of conversation, and in real life it really doesn’t. Not that I’m shy about mentioning it…if it comes up, I will. But here’s the thing…it doesn’t come up that often and unless it does I don’t even think about it. Days and weeks go by where it’s not even a thought in my head, and why should it be? The OP said it herself…it’s just something that happened. Of course, she was referring to being orphaned, and I’m referring to being adopted, but it’s the same concept. It’s just something that happened, I had no control over any of it, and that’s my life. And it’s been a pretty good one, too.

I think I would find it fairly annoying if there was some social obligation to mention it to all and sundry so that they are clear on where I came from and what the true relationship is between my parents and me, and blah blah blah. I mean, why should I have to do that? For one thing, it seems like children would get a complex that there IS something wrong with it… Besides that, there are plenty other more interesting things to talk about, and I can’t imagine how it would affect anything, anyway, so what would be the point?

Try to keep things straight. What I said is that if a authorian government prevented me from getting a safe abortion I would have no alternative, but to hide a pregnancy and kill a newborn. A significant factor in that would be the belief that genetic ties are important enough that life without them may not be worth living.

Keeping it a secret can also make it a Big Deal, like it’s some kind of dirty secret no one can know. There’s a middle ground to walk but it’s really not that fine.

Yeah, agreed. I think it’s fine to tell the kid but not to keep bringing it up. Like when your adult kid comes home, addressing them as “Hello, Adopted Master Jay”? Not cool. (Obligatory “The Critic” reference–sorry.)

Well, why not say Mom and Dad in a stranger adoption of an infant? You’re becoming the child’s legal and emotional parent, you don’t have any other familial relationship that’s being supplanted by your role as parent, and the child has no previous emotional bonds to other parental figures that might make it upsetting to them to call you Mom or Dad. So why tapdance around making the kid feel conspicuous as a flagpole by avoiding the standard terms for one’s parents? Where is the benefit to the child or the parent? And if it makes it harder for someone who doesn’t want to be around “illegitimate” children or those who have had contact with them to exercise their beliefs–why should the family in question give a shit about those people?

Now, adopting kids old enough to remember their bio parents is a whole different kettle of fish, namewise. I’ve never seen kids in that situation go straight to Mom and Dad right off the bat, both because it stirs up thorny emotional issues about “replacing” their birth parents and because the older you are the longer it takes to form that sort of bond. And I have never seen people who adopted kids who were old enough to talk who ever once pushed the issue of what the kid called them.

How names are handled in adopting children related to you seems to mostly hinge on how old the child is at the time of adoption. I have a handful of friends who were brought home from the hospital by their grandparents or other relatives, and every one of them calls the relatives who raised them Mom and Dad or some variation thereof. And that makes sense, because at that point it’s very much like adopting an unrelated infant–assuming a legal and emotional role as parent, no previous familial bonds to supplant, etc.

People who are adopted by family at an age where they remember their birth parents, however, rarely call their adoptive parents Mom and Dad ime. There are the reasons unrelated adoptees have about “replacing” their birth parents, and adding to that there’s an existing family relationship that feels like it’s being replaced too. I mean, if my brother and sil were to die tomorrow and I wound up adopting my niece she would probably never call me and DoctorJ Mom and Dad, and it would never occur to me to ask her to. She already has a Mommy and Daddy who she’s deeply bonded to and would be missing badly enough without feeling like we’re trying to replace them, and besides, we’re all used to her calling us Aunt CrazyCat and Uncle Doc. I would think she would follow the pattern most people in such situations have ime, telling people she lives with (or when she’s grown, was raised by) her aunt and uncle.

So I’m quite frankly not getting what the OP is on about–most the arguments made by the “wise woman” don’t fit at all with what I’ve actually seen in the real world.

The other thing I’d like to point out is that names like Mom, Dad, Grandma, etc., are often considered very differently than names that are also biological designations like Mother, Father, Grandmother, etc. They’re seen as totally describing emotional bonds rather than having anything to do with biology and as such are as elastic as the notion of family itself. A great deal of the time these names overlap with biological relationships, yes, but in a lot of families they don’t for various reasons. It’s just the way the world works.

I don’t know, maybe I’m just more comfortable with fluid definitions of family relationships than a lot of people are because of my family history–my grandfather was widowed twice and each time married a woman who already had kids from a previous marriage, and all the kids from all those marriages are my aunts and uncles with absolutely no qualifiers. Dad was also partly raised by relatives of his first stepmother, because she was a psychotic bitch. (He called her Mommy once when he was about 4, and she slapped him across the face and told him she was NOT his mother.) I sometimes explain the exact history to third parties to clarify family politics, but those times are few and far between.

Sorry, no good. My daughter is wearing purple in honor of the Vikings’ playoff game, and she says scarlet clashes with her outfit.

That’s something I think we would like to know - on what are you basing this belief on the importance of genetic ties, to the point of thinking life isn’t worth living without them?

Surely you can think of important relationships that are not based on genetic ties - marriage, friendships, etc.

Regards,
Shodan

Well, of course. As I said, I mention it if it’s relevant, and if it’s not, I don’t. Just like anything, right? It’s the thing about being obligated to mention it as if it’s anyone else’s business that bothers me.

It reminds me of some folks who lived next door to my parents for years. They were a middle aged couple, with a couple of kids–a fairly typical family. We were talking about my upcoming wedding one day and they happened to mention that they had never gotten married. I was a little surprised…once I even had babysat for them when they went out for their anniversary, and they hadn’t mentioned it wasn’t a WEDDING anniversary. But, really what possible difference could it make to me? They had no obligation to mention it. They did, just because the subject of weddings came up in conversation. They weren’t ashamed of it or anything, there was just never a reason to mention it. But should they have made a point of telling me, just so I knew what “the true nature of their relationship” was? I say…no. It’s none of my business unless they want to tell me, and it has no bearing on my relationship with them either, so why should they? To me, this is the same exact thing.

See, now, if you really loved her, you wouldn’t have raised her to be a Vikings fan. :frowning:

Don’t blame this one on me - she is a Brett Favre fan!

:mutters dark, Cheesehead curses under his breath:

Regards,
Shodan

Oh. my. god. You poor man. See, when you adopt, you never know how the kid’s going to turn out, do you? :frowning:

Some teenagers turn to drugs or promiscuous sex in order to rebel against their tyrannical parents. I had to get the one who rebels by being better than I at picking who will win in the play offs.

:sobs: “Didn’t your mother and I raise you better than this?”

Regards,
Shodan

OK, one more time…why is it again that genetic ties are so important that life without them may not be worth living? I’m wondering, because so far life has been ok, and I’d like to know when the “not worth living” part is going to kick in.

Because those of who value our extended families like to know when the adopters are around. We like to keep a close eye on all our young family members in case the adopters decide they need another child.

In my family, the Adopters just rub their mandibles together and emit a hissing sound before descending upon any unclaimed children. We have a good two minutes to grab up the children and go and we’ve only lost one in the last five years.

Stunning.
Shines a BRIGHT spotlight on YOUR culture, which evidently, includes baby stealing.

You don’t seem to be able to comprehend what it means to belong to a family, not just a mother and father. Family means generations stretching out across time and space. It’s a web of aunts, uncles, cousins, etc., who are connected to you, who love and help you. And if your mother and father aren’t there or just not a good fit with you, it doesn’t matter because the family is there and will always be there and will help you find the place for you.