Adventures at the (Canadian) Antiques Roadshow

I very nearly ran away with the circus yesterday. The circus in question being the Canadian Antiques Roadshow.

I had managed to get two e-tickets to the gig, and I lined up early in the morning, along with about 900 other hopefuls carrying, pushing or dragging their priceless treasures retrieved from attic, root cellar or outhouse. You know the sort of thing–that extremely valuable Ming period lawnchair, sort of thing.

I brought two items from my military collection; a 12-inch copper tray, made from metal taken from the sheathing of HMS Victory, Nelson’s flagship at the battle of Trafalgar, and two diaries full of artwork done in the famous POW camp Colditz in WW2. A good friend of mine forsook her family for the day, and came along with her great-grandfather’s medal from the Afghan War of 1878 (and photo of said worthy wearing the gong).

Fortunately, we are both the type who enjoy people-watching. And we had plenty of opportunity, for once inside the giant armouries that were hosting the show, we spent 2 and a half hours in line to see the militaria expert. The time passed quickly, though–it was crowded, and there was a constant parade of people going past with all sorts of intriguing items; including a lot of First Nations woven baskets, carved masks, etc.

I actually did a little “experting” of my own: people in line were chatting back and forth, and showing each other what they had. A very nice little Belgian lady behind us had an enormous oil painting of a conquistador in one hand, and what I recognised as a WW2 air force silk aircrew “escape” map in the other. I told her all I knew about the map (I have eight in my collection), and she was very happy to leave the militaria line, to go join the “art” line to find out about de Soto, or Ponce de Leon, or whoever her painting may have been.

While in line, we were able to eavesdrop at several other tables, including the “art,” and the “books.” One young woman at the art table was disappointed to have the expert open up the black plastic frame of her “painting” to show her that it was, in fact, a postcard from the 1960s. I shamelessly hovered at the book table when a very nice Little Old Lady–Miss Havisham to the life–brought in her late mother’s Victorian scrapbook, with photos, autographs, greeting cards, pressed flowers, etc. Most interesting.

We were shuttled around as human cattle, to act as backdrop for the first big “find” of the day that was filmed for the show. A woman in her 30s had a very, very nice art deco glass hood ornament . My friend and I were directly behind the table as they were filming, and got to hear what was said; the expert rattled on about art deco, glibly explained away the little chip at the back of the piece as not unusual, and then told her that it should be insured for “$20,000 to $25,000.” She made little chipmunk sounds, as everyone around was smiling and laughing, pleased for her.

Finally, our turn came at the little green baize table. My friend went first, and the expert, an Englishman who is a consultant for our National War Museum in Ottawa, told her about her great-grandfather’s Afghanistan medal , and the 1878 Afghan War, etc. He remarked on the very odd wear pattern on the medal; one side, which has Queen Victoria’s image, is worn nearly blank, while the elephant motif on the back is still in high relief. This is explained by the fact he was a Commissionaire in the 1890s in London, and wore the medal daily, polishing it up frequently. At this point, the “host” of the show came past, and stopped for a chat.

Valerie Pringle is perky. No, scratch that. She makes Katie Couric look like Sylvia Plath. Our expert tells Valerie the story of why the medal is so polished on one side, and she pipes up with, “Oh, so I guess great-grandad was obsessive-compulsive, huh?” Fortunately my friend has a good sense of humour.

Now it’s my turn to show the expert the items I’ve brought. First, the big copper tray. It’s got lots of wording on it, giving details that it was struck in 1905 by the Lords of the Admiralty, using copper from HMS Victory, to commemorate the centenery of the battle of Trafalgar. The expert likes this, very much. He doesn’t say much to me, except, “I’d like to film this–please don’t tell me anything about it; I’m going to talk to the producer.” So up he gets and vanishes. I’m quite surprised–the tray is neat, but not on-air material, I would have thought.

Anyway, we sit and wait–and wait. After about ten minutes, a harried-looking young woman festooned in ID cards comes to the table and looks at me and says, “Hello. You weren’t here last year, were you?” I tell her no, this is my first time. She says no matter, she thought she recognised me. Would I mind doing an interview with the local media, who are here to do coverage. (I think this is a little odd–why would they want to talk to me?–) but I say I’ll be glad to help in any way. So just as I’m rising to go off for my “media opportunity,” she turns to my friend and says, “I’m sorry, but we’ll have your appraiser back very shortly.” It then clicks that this woman thinks that I am the antiques expert, and part of the show! I still think I should have bluffed it out.

Anyway, the real expert returns, and is all set to film the copper tray; my friend says mischeviously, “don’t you want to see his “A” material?” Expert gives me a funny look, and I say that I had brought something that I thought was really special. So out come the two little prisoner of war diaries that I’ve had since I was a kid. These are full of art–watercolours, pastels, pen and ink–all done in the infamous Colditz castle in Saxony, Germany. Expert is very, very quiet. He finally says, “OK. I’d like to film these diaries instead. Can you come back after lunch?” We say fine.

Cut to an hour later. I am “made up,” so that I won’t shine on camera or something. It is now 1:30 p.m. We then go into a small roped-off pen, to await the summons to go on-camera. Around us are some interesting things; a lady with a pair of duelling pistols, a man with a really neat actual hummingbird made into a brooch (with a gold beak, marked by a Russian goldsmith in the 1890s), and a beautiful Tiffany lamp in shades of green. And we wait. And wait some more.

At last, after two false starts, I get “shot” at 5 p.m. Those three cameras on their dollies are big, and they’re in very close, but I’ve been instructed by the director not to look at them, just at the expert or the diaries, just as if we’re having a friendly old chat. Which, oddly, it seems to be. The expert talks about growing up as a kid in England in the '50s, where he and his friends would play at being soldiers, and prisoners in Colditz (which is still pretty famous over there, compared to North America). He goes through the pages, turning them over for the cameras, showing some of the art, including my favourite; a rear view of a German guard with a big bum bending over to pick up a prisoner’s discarded cigarette-end. He asks if I have them insured (to which, of course, I sheepishly give the usual dopey answer, “no”), and then suggests that I should do so, to the tune of $25,000. I’m a little stunned at this; not that I would part with them, of course; but still, it’s a bit of a shock. I hold a sickly smile for several seconds, as instructed by the director, and we’re done.

I really want to stow away in their equipment van and just plunk myself down at one of the green tables and look at people’s cool old stuff all day long. I have a suit, I clean up well, I can pull it off. I can even put up with Valerie. Just give me a shot!

Cool story! Very cool story!

Bump this thread to let us know when the show’s going to air! I want to watch it.

I had to work yesterday (and today and tomorrow and the next day…) but a lady from our office went.

It’s neat to read about your experience there.

Super neat! So, did you get the copper tray appraised as well? Or did the expert just look at the diaries?

Oh–I forgot to say that the very last thing I did before leaving was ask one of the line producers if they had a very rough idea of the air date.

She thought that September or October was most likely. She also mentioned that they were getting enough good material here for two shows, possibly.

They’re off this morning to Edmonton.

No, sadly, Neuroman, the copper tray got forgotten in the excitement over the dairies. But I did overhear when the militaria expert was consulting with one of the other metalwork experts, who was saying that he’d “never seen anything of that size” from Victory copper.

I’ve seen the smaller plaques and trays like here:

http://www.oldcopper.org/victory_memorabilia.htm

go for anything up to US $250; I would take a wild guess that my unusual tray would likely be at a premium. Not that I would part with it, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see it go for US $600 or better in this, the 200th anniversary year of Trafalgar.

Very interesting account. Thanks for the behind the scenes look. I’m a Roadshow junkie but generally avoid the Canadian one because I dislike Valerie Pringle and the clubby nature of CBC “talent” Its a wonder that the lady with the dueling pistols wasn’t arrested, I’ve been informed that my 1863 hammerlock Enfield carbine (you can’t even get ammo for it) needs to be registered.

Wow. What a nice story, Rod.

DeeVee, do you mean the 1861 model Snider-Enfield carbine? It’s a percussion cap, rifled muzzle loader, manufactured prior to 1898, and not modified?

If your answer is “yes,” then it’s an “antique,” according to the Canadian Government’s own firearms centre (http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/info_for-renseignement/factsheets/powder_e.asp), and does not require any paperwork:

Now, if the Roadshow comes anywhere near you, by all means, go see it. The best part of the day was just hanging out, looking at all the interesting people and all their interesting stuff. The guy ahead of us in line with the Queen Victoria’s Christmas Chocolate Box from 1899, sent to the troops in South Africa; the guy ahead of him, who had an 1895 model Winchester that was PCMR marked (a rare little west coast home guard militia unit in WW2); he actually got filmed for the show, too. Valerie was only there for about an hour out of the nine hours that I was there, so there wasn’t much of an issue in putting up with her.

How can those of us in the USA see this show, when it airs?

Did the appraiser do any research on the items before talking about them? I would imagine they would need to do that before they could talk about most of the items.

Hi Baker.

I just tried to see just now on the website if the CBC Roadshow is syndicated in the US (or the UK), but it doesn’t say.

If you live in a border state, you might be able to see it on the regular CBC TV channel, or on the CBC Newsworld cable channel.

I’ve been trying to find a webcast link on the website, but no luck there, either.

You should pester your local PBS station to pick it up; I’m sure folks would find it just about as interesting as the US version!

Actually, Dewey Finn, it was interesting that the table of experts that had the biggest pile of reference books underneath was the “art and prints” table, followed by the “books and ephemera.” The “Porcelain and Glass” also had lots.

My expert only had a couple of books, but then he was curator of Dress and Insignia at the Canadian War Museum for eleven years! (I should also note that there were laptops with internet access at every other table, so that odd and obscure marks could be researched).

Personally, I would love to spend a day having people bring me neat things from their attics!