Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E18 The Frenemy of My Enemy

The first half of the first season was awful, and the biggest complaints were that this was the Marvel Universe with no superpowers, and that Grant Ward was Blandy McBlanders.

They’ve rectified both of those complaints in a big way, in a way that was integrated back to the introductions of both Skye and Grant. Skye damn well better continue to be a focus of this show.

So when Cal opened the drawer, there were some conspicuous little bottles in it with greenish liquid, presumably whatever formula he used on himself; I genuinely thought that at some point in the find he’d find some moment to shoot up and genuinely Hulk out, maybe for a tussle with Deathlok. But it wasn’t to be…

I would actually really like to see him go full Mr. Hyde but I’m not sure they could do it in a believable way on the TV budget.

I noticed those too and assumed that was Cal’s Dr Hyde drugs. Of course they would have been sitting there for 20+ years but I think they’ll come into play sooner or later.

DrDeth I’m not sure why you’re trying to pick at this particular scab, but quit it.

No warning issued, but don’t try stunts like this again to try to make point.

What scab? (Question in ATMB)

I think the problem is the show wandered off from its original premise for quite a while. Shield was originally supposed to be about keeping people safe from super-powered threats. The whole Hydra issue put that on the backburner for about a year. So now the series is trying to revive it with things like the Inhuman storyline, the revelation about Bahrain, and Gemma’s xenophobia.

Gonzalez and Shield 2 have been brought in to sort of represent this original mission. From their perspective, Coulson appears to be using Shield, an agency that is supposed to locate and contain super-powered threats, as a means of locating super-powered beings but then recruiting them into his own secret group rather than containing them. Even people who know Coulson are suspicious now that they’ve found out about this secret agenda.

And who knows? In a show like this, it could turn out they’re right to be suspicious. Maybe that alien bug juice they injected Coulson with has screwed up his brain. Or maybe he’s working under the influence of some secret mind-control device Fury used on him. We could end up finding out that Gonzalez really is the good guy.

Answered there.

Somehow I doubt it.

Hasn’t Coulson gone from trying to protect super powered people from society or whatever and started recruiting them instead because of the Hydra snafu?

I remember in the early episodes he would recruit and send them away because “we can help you, we can protect you”, but then Hydra happened and he can’t anymore. And now there is no where safe for them to go other than with him, so he’s less building an army and more protecting them the only way he knows how

Thanks. I’d forgotten that.

I’ve never thought Gonzales WASN’T a good guy. Same as Talbot.
Antagonists aren’t necessarily bad guys.

If anything I could see this as the means to re-establish a SHIELD organization in the MCU that can function as a larger story-element and remove Coulson from the Director’s chair so the show can go back to the original formula. It’s a means for a tonal reboot.

If Gonzales is a Good Guy, then why was he sitting on his ass with a aircraft carrier and a hundred or so agents, while Coulson was fighting HYDRA with not even a tenth of that? I still wanna know what the fuck Gonzales was doing all that time. Sudoku? Crochet?

If Gonzales is a Good Guy then why not have a sit down with Coulson rather than infiltrate and lie?

I’ll admit it’s unlikely. But keep in mind this is the same show that had Grant Ward working as a Shield agent for most of a season before revealing his secret identity. We can’t rule out the possibility of a Big Reveal here.

True but I was thinking more along the lines of him being a good guy within the narrative. Somebody that we might end up wanting to see win out over Coulson.

First- Do we know that they didn’t?
Second- I imagine they were otherwise occupied fixing the carrier and reorganizing after their umbrella organization was dismantled. I still hope there is confirmation that Gonzales’ faction is tacitly approved by the World Security Organization otherwise–most of this world doesn’t make sense.

Because Gonzales THINKS Coulson is a bad guy or at the least compromised.

The WSO was decapitated along with SHIELD. I don’t think they would have had the chance to replace everybody and make policy decisions of that magnitude. Maybe Jenny Agutter just made the calls herself while all the chaos was happening.

I would seriously like them to devote a couple of hours (maybe in a podcast) to explaining exactly how the carrier has been funded since it dropped off the network. Ditto Our Heroes. They were down to staying in cheap motels at one point. Do all the hidden SHIELD facilities have a few million dollars lying around for emergencies? (Actually, that wouldn’t be a bad idea.)

There’s no way that was 33’s hands. I looked pretty carefully. Could have been Fitz I guess, maybe even Sparkplug.

What loose ends need to be tied up before Age of Ultron? They have one episode to do it.

None, unless Coulson is going to show up in the movie. I don’t think he is, though. And even if he does, nothing big. They may share a universe, but they’re not that tied in. If anything, one’ll be asking the same question as one did during the last Thor or CA or whatever - where were all the others?