Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D S02E19: The Dirty Half Dozen

No, they’ve had a year of stomping out all the fires leftover after the fall of SHIELD and Hydra, with training when they could fit it in. That’s best case scenario.

BTW for people who have seen Avengers Age of Ultron, it is revealed very quickly what intel Coulson provided Hill:

The location of Loki’s Scepter.

When did they pull that retcon? Or is that Ultimate Sharon Carter? Oh comics… never change

They had to pull it… I even think it’s grand-niece at this point.

Peggy was a WW2 vet who they never established as having gotten the Infinity Formula that keeps the Howling Commandos around. They had her be a kind of crazy middle-aged woman when Cap returned in the 60s…and made her younger sister Caps love interest but then as we got further and further from WW2, they had to do something to explain the relationship between them. It went from younger sister…which by the 70s was stretching it too much…to saying “No no, all those times we said “sister” we meant “niece” okay? We cool?” and I swear in the 2000s they went to grand-niece because even a niece was stretching it too much.

I totally disagree with you.

When the show first started, she was a good POV character - she was new to SHIELD, we were new to SHIELD, etc. But she’s a little too Mary Sue (the best hacker and the best fighter and the nicest person and superpowered and blah blah blah) to be the center and focus of the show. She’s ok in doses, but it’s a better show when it’s about the ensemble, not just about her.

(To be clear, I’m not sure any of these characters is enough to sustain a show. I don’t see the Bobbi/Hunter thing working, but so far, they’ve tended to know what they’re doing, so…)

And rumor has it as the Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel. Which would be awesome.

Not sure how they’d work it, with Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) not being introduced yet, but I’m sure they’ll figure something out.

I like Skye and her waif-fu. I’m satisfied with lots of story about her. I’m with DrDeth in that the other characters are interesting in their own way - especially Son of Coul. To me, it seems that we’re getting plenty of drama with all of them. Jed and Maurissa and the other writers are doing a fine job of balancing all of the storylines.

I’d also like to give fanboy thanks for the proliferation of Marvels in the show!

Er, that was supposed to be in reply to the comment on the other Marvel show rumored to be in development. The Agents of SHIELD spinoff is, of course, the aforementioned Bobbi - Hunter one.

That was my original issue with the rumor (you shouldn’t do a legacy character before you introduce…y’know, the Legacy) but I’ve come around to the idea that she doesn’t need to be inspired by Carol Danvers or go by the name Ms. Marvel. The important aspects of her are she’s a teenage Muslim-American girl and who gains Inhuman powers and becomes a hero.

Seen the Ant-Man trailer, yet?

Revenge officially toast.

Skye started basic training with Ward before WS, then picked up the pace with May after Hydra popped out. Beginning of Season 2 she was sniper overwatch for the freezer guy in the harbor.

Also, nobody seemed to have any problem with Raina taking out SHIELD agents effortlessly after her transformation—true, it was more obviously physical, but just getting spiny does not necessarily imply superhuman fighting powers, and in fact, her actual power turned out to be clairvoyance; so I can easily buy some physical superiority just being part of the terrigenisis package deal.

He was a poor, hard working Russian farmboy who was already built like a brick shit house. He’d be built even if he didn’t have powers.

Anyhoo, we just need to accept that people destined to be heroes have more natural ability and aptitude than the rest of us schlubs. Skye was destined to be what she is. “Training really hard” works wonders on those destined for herohood. Watch Arrow sometime, people train up to hero status all the frakking time.

Skye’s well-choreographed fight scene was pretty good, and to me it was Skye’s graduation demonstration. She’s a full-fledged agent, and not just a chick with powers.

The Ward strory was interesting. I felt myself softening towards him again, even though I know I shouldn’t. Well done.

I hate the idea of a Bobbi Hunter spin-off. It won’t succeed and those two characters add a lot to AoS.

I liked Bobbi & Mac’s sparring scene too. Was that this week or last? I got two eps behind and watched both last night. Bobbi’s got a great super hero build.

Agree. Agree and don’t like it either (“4 times.”) I disagree. I think the show will be a good one, and explore some interesting corners of the Marvel universe. Agree, but the costuming needs work. Bobbi looked like she was sporting a pair of “bolt-ons.” I don’t know if Palicki has had implants, but she sure looked like it in that scene, to the detriment of her stunning good looks as a default position.

Skye’s fight scene was the best fight scene I’ve seen on TV in years. since… I don’t even know. (Faith v Buffy, maybe?) I had to go back and watch it again. I haven’t re-watched a fight scene since Quicksilver’s scene in DOFP. I don’t care if it’s Mary Sueish. Don’t care if it’s fan-service. It was badass, and I loved it unashamedly.
Getting off the Skye topic for a moment: Does anyone have a guess at what Ward’s motivation is? He’s lied so much, it’s hard to get a read. I’m not sure whether the writers know and are keeping it close to the vest, or if they just use him as they want and leave it undefined. Is he really trying for the redemption train? Did he have real feelings for Kara/33? I dunno… thoughts?
Also, I’m surprised every single episode that Kal survives. Every conversation with Jiaying screams “I’m going to have you put down after I leave the room.” and yet… he lives.

We’ve seen that Ward grew up in a terrible family. I think he’s been trying to find a replacement family he could belong to. Garrett was the first one to offer him a substitute family but he was really just as bad as Ward’s original family. But as his Hydra duties, Ward was assigned to work on Coulson’s team and this is where he found the real family he always wanted. But his existing loyalty to Garrett made him betray the team.

But ever since, Ward has been deluding himself that it’s possible for him to do something that will be enough for the team to forgive him and welcome him back into the family. This episode was when he finally realized it is never going to happen.

I wouldn’t say he knows it’s never going to happen, but he’s more than smart enough to know it ain’t happening soon. Returning 33 for help was a good start.

I am trying not to expect much in tonight’s episode and failing.

I’m curious to see how they handle the news that (a) Nick Fury’s back and (b) he’s got the helicarrier. Might take some of the steam out of Gonzalez’s stride. “Maybe I could get a big truck or something…”