No of course not.
I already accept the idea that they were persecuted. I don’t yet accept the idea that they were historically persecuted more in the middle east than they were in other parts of the world. I don’t yet accept the tide that they were historically persecuted more than other non-muslims.
Ok, this is ridiculous goal post shifting. You began by trying to claim that anti-Semitism was a result of Zionism and now you’re conceding that they were persecuted long before political Zionism arose.
You also keep demanding people prove that Jews were treated worse in the Islamic World than Europe when no one has actually claimed this.
Let me ask you this.
Why hasn’t it occurred to you that the reason Zionism became so popular among Middle Eastern Jews was because they were treated so badly by the Muslims?
Doesn’t that answer your question as to which movement caused which?
Nonsense, at this very moment modern Jewish Irredentists are reestablishing a Khazar kingdom in eastern Ukraine. 
ISTM that Jews think that Jews are ritually unclean. The guilt, y’know?
There has also been an unbroken Palestinian presence there for at least that long. The Palestinians being everybody-else-in-Palestine.
Negotiations to extend the ceasefire are going on in Cairo. Fingers crossed . . . or crescented . . . or whatever it is Jews do with their fingers.
Of course it does. My understanding is that zionism came bfore the viruluent anti-semitism we see today rather than the toerh way around
The Vulcan salute from Star Trek…
Would you consider people who believe Jews to be ritually unclean and who think that any Muslim who comes into contact with Jews must immediately wash themselves to be “virulently anti-Semitic”?
I gave you a Palestinian source that confirmed IDF figures a year after 2009 (when Palestinians claimed very low figures of killed militants, and IDF reported 700). You ignored it.
Referring to an idea as foolish is inflammatory, but scrapes by the rules of the forum. This construction applies “foolishly” to the actions of the poster, coming a lot closer to a personal attack.
Just back off on this sort of construction. It is not necessary and does nothing to promote discussion.
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That wasn’t me.
Sinn Féin were not anywhere close to being the dominant political party in Ireland at the time. Are you referring to another party?
I think he has Northern Ireland and Ireland confuses.
Sort of like thinking New Mexico is a part of Mexico.
My apologies.
I grabbed the quote from a quoting post and had not tracked it far enough back to pick up the actual author.
So, thought I’d link to this video report on CNN where they kind of discuss where the media goes wrong in reporting about Hamas. It’s only a couple of minutes long and it doesn’t go into a lot of detail, but it does a pretty good job of explaining the sort of false equivalency aspect that the media sets up when they report about Hamas vis-a-vis Israel and kind of the frustration you see from the supposed ‘pro-Israeli’ people in threads like this. If you don’t want to watch it and want the Cliff’s Notes version it’s that there is no equivalency…Hamas stated (and quite clear and candid) goals are the complete destruction of Israel and of pretty much all the Jews from the entirety of Palestine (if not from the entire ME). Since the media doesn’t generally give that little detail, to folks who are pretty much ignorant of the history (as many in this thread seemingly are) and ignorant of that flatly stated goal, it sets up that equivalency and a legitimacy Hamas.
Even if he is, he’d still be incorrect. SF aren’t the biggest party in NI now and had much less support during the Troubles.
I shouldn’t have said it and will refrain from doing so in the rest of the thread.
Apologies to Damuri.
I don’t think they were even the biggest nationalist party.