just completely going by what the other guy said, speeding on residential streets. I realize he is not the most impartial narrator of course.
I do suspect that Ritchson was being an ass, and that led to this confrontation. I don’t think he comes out of this looking like a hero. But the cops should have been involved, not some guy picking a fight.
100% agree, as I mentioned above. That guy got what was coming to him. Ritchson behaved understandably and well within his rights, but I wouldn’t say it was exactly a praise-worthy response.
I used to work with an asshole who insisted that loud bikes saved lives.. One day he was riding home and got into a pretty bad accident. Spent some time in the hospital. On his get-well card, I wrote, “Wishing you a speedy recovery. And, I guess, a louder bike”.
By “crashed his bike” you mean that he fell over while being assaulted?
His body camera didn’t show any contact directed towards him. The neighbor stepped in front of him as he slowed down then it looks like the rider lost control of his motorcycle.
Yes. We were trying to find a polite way to tell you.
In a civilized society? The proper response is to call the police. Have the guy charged with assault.
It’s astonishing to me that the police laid no charges here. Where I live they’d both have been charged with assault and/or disorderly conduct. The premise being that street brawling doesn’t represent the kind of society we want to live in.
Yes, exactly this.
Ah, but this occurred in TN, not civilized society.
Even while the assault is ongoing? You don’t allow any provision for self defense?
Courts generally consider that people are human beings with emotions and instincts, etc., not automatons. Ritchson was assaulted in a dangerous way – pushed off his bike. That’s a crazy thing to do – try and push someone off a motorcycle in gear. If I’m pushed off a motorcycle while riding it, I will be in fear for my life and reacting as such. And I’m a pretty level headed guy. If my kids are around, then I’ll be in fear for their lives as well – someone who is as stupid and crazy to push me off my moving bike could be crazy enough to assault children. So the threat must be ended, and there’s no time to call the police in the moment, not unless/until the threat has ended (by the attacker being on the ground and not getting up, or having left the area).
I’ve been physically attacked, suddenly, by strangers in a public place. It’s terrifying and your mind goes into a different place. Fight or flight is a real thing, and if my kids are around flight is impossible.
Of course you’re entitled to self-defense. Quoting what I believe is pretty much literally the wording of the law in the jurisdiction in which I reside, you’re entitled to use “reasonable force” to defend yourself, generally defined as the minimum force necessary in the circumstances of any given threat. Nowhere does the law permit going testosterone-fueled full Rambo against the attacker. I have no doubt that where I live both men would have faced one or more criminal charges for brawling in the street, the initiator who pushed Ritchson off his bike probably facing the most serious charges.
But in Tennessee, where you’re allowed to blow someone’s head off if you feel threatened by them, different standards apparently apply.
There appears to be a fundemental difference of opinion about AR’s response in this thread. I fall firmly on the side that his response to a person who dangerously assaulted him in the presense of his children was reasonable and effective. You disagree, that’s OK.
Your characterization of the response doesn’t appear to resemble what the body cam showed to my eyes, nor to the DA.
Anyone else notice the fourth motorbike on the scene? It’s parked curbside across the street from where the altercation took place. It’s seen throughout the video in the OP, and it visible starting at about 1:10 in the helmet-cam video in post #40 above.
Was there a fourth rider present? The fourth bike is not parked like it’s being stored away. Looks like someone was riding, then got off and parked it.
That’s a pretty wild description of a guy throwing, by my count, four punches.
Which was four punches more than necessary to “defend” himself against someone who was not attacking him at that time and was on the ground just trying to shield himself. Those were punches of rage, not defense.
Since this is Tennessee, where in their statutes is reasonable force defined as the minimum necessary? Usually reasonable force is defined as the force a person reasonably believes necessary to protect themselves or others against imminent harm. Is there any jurisdiction within the United States were reasonable is synonmous with minimum?
People don’t have on/off switches.
You’ve never been attacked by a stranger, I take it? Because it does wild things to your brain. It brings you back in time (and by this I mean back to the state of humanity in which life was a constant life and death struggle). In the moment, the way you relate to the world and people around you change instantly.
The non-Reacher guy was washing his bike. You can see the power washer, hose and wand is some of the videos, and I’m pretty sure he was quoted as saying he was washing his bike.
Knocking a guy down doesn’t mean the fight’s over. He was still trying to get up. Ritchson has a reasonable concern that he’s going to continue the assault if he can get to his feet. Once the guy stays down, he stops hitting him. That’s showing an admirable restraint in the circumstances.