All of time didn’t stop at Isaiah- did it?

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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This is an idea that I’ve had for a few years now, and I’m finally going to tell it to more than the few people I’ve mentioned it to.

I came up with the idea that all of human history stopped around circa 700 BCE, and that all of us are inhabiting an illusion in which maybe it appears not to have stopped around 700 BCE.

Christianity has never really existed, nor has Islam, and Europeans never really existed, because it’s 700 BCE, even now. Whenever you drive a car, it’s really a horse-drawn chariot, you just don’t realize it, and when you use a computer or phone it’s because you’re an ancient pagan shaman using magic to swap ideas/stimuli with other humans/entities, or you’re an ancient Judean communicating by the power of Yahweh or by prophetic ability granted by Him.

That leads me to my next point- Isaiah, the greatest “writings-prophet” of the Hebrew Bible. He supposedly lived around 700 BCE, and, in this idea, all of time basically stopped at him.

The New Testament authors of the Gospels use Isaiah far more than any other Old Testament book in their attempt to prove that the Jesus story fulfills old testament prophecies of the Messiah. They use many of his badly translated chapters and verses out of context to fabricate their claims.

But hey, since time stopped at Isaiah :wink:, I should say that in this illusion of a post-Isaiah world that we inhabit, the New Testament quotes Isaiah. In reality the New Testament has never been written, nor Christianity ever founded.

Most of us are ancient Jewish men and women sitting around having prophetic visions of a hypothetical future for the world in which Isaiah’s prophecies are misused to start a religion called Christianity, and then over several millennia some Gentiles called “Europeans” conquer much of the world and use advanced magic- er, science- to attempt to conquer the Heavens themselves (quantum physics, space travel, et al).

I’m not a lunatic- I hope :crossed_fingers:- so I recognize that this idea probably sounds insane to most- no, all :grinning:- of you, so I’d like to hear some responses of any kind that anyone has to say. In the end, at least we can get a laugh or two out of this idea. :laughing:

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That is all moot, considering that the universe was created last Tuesday.

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Heathen! It was Last Thursday.

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Wanna bet?

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The potential state of anyone’s mental health aside, the OP’s theory appears to be either a form of solipsism or a more mystical form of simulation theory.

The theory as described seems unprovable and unfalsifiable and relies either on a mutual hallucination (in which case time is passing within a hallucination that we all mutually inhabit and interact with each other in, making it indistinguishable from reality) or it’s all one person’s dream and everyone else is a figment of that person’s imagination (in which case asking us figments for input is meaningless).

Either way, there’s no way to demonstrate or disprove that what you are experiencing is “real” or not, and so speculating on it is distinctly unconstructive. It’s not even worth turning into a screenplay, because you’d be basically making The Matrix set in Judea.

But if it makes you happy to think you’re actually an ancient Jewish mystic imagining all this, knock yourself out. Just remember than you still need to pay your taxes.

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Render unto Cypher that which is Cypher’s?

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I’m disappointed by this idea. :stuck_out_tongue:
Modern chess rules came in around 1500, so my entire chess career would be lost.

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Board games have been around since thousands of years BCE-

That’s a Sumerian one from 4,500 years ago.

In your vision you’re having, you just took an ancient board game and imagined that the gentiles made it more sophisticated over centuries that never really happened. :grinning:

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Actually the universe will be created next Thursday - with all of our memories of our lives and this thread being artificially implanted into us at our creation next week. Remember, you will have heard of it here first.

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I had a like thought but everything is present day, not 700BCE, but it is our memory that ages things and we don’t progress thought time though material things age (and transform to look older and give the illusion of progress) so we think we are going forward. When we were kids we had smartphones, but as we age we remember them as more primitive things like hand held electronic games, cell phones or even land lines, and those smartphones actually transform back to these more primitive devices. In this all of humanity that ever was lives in the society we have today and always will. Never advancing but always thinking they are as their mind creates the illusion of forwards progress, but it reality is is just stagnation while time runs backwards for things.

As such nothing is new, and the prophets of old were telling about society today, though their works ‘age-transformed’ in time to appear from a long ago time. However due to the divine prophetic gift their message still rings true.

As such Jesus always was, along ‘the way’ Jesus spoke about as Jesus is ‘the way’ and thus the way has always existed in humanity. For clarity: one may substitute Christianity for how I use ‘the way’ but I find they are not the same. As such the older Jewish religion is a predecessor that is a backwards transformed Christianity just with Christ (and ‘the way’) removed as we look back on the illusion of time. We still have the divine prophecies, and we still have the works of God but it’s more distant without the son of man connecting us.

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Am I a 700BC jewish man having had the vision of being “me” for 47 years, or did I start having this vision last Thursday, with 47 years of memories included in the vision? And is Jaweh trying to convey something profound to me, or does he want me to go on a quest for avocados, tomatoes and corn so I can reify the vision of guacamole and corn chips that I have been given?

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A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth. If we’ve been hallucinating for the past 2700 years, then at some time the big lie became the truth of life.

I remember a Spider-Man issue from the 70’s where an alien woman explained to Doc Sampson (the Robert E. Howard version) that whereas Earth existed in space and endured in time, her world existed in time and endured in space. That concept stuck with me throughout the years, and explained why prophecy could be interpreted the wrong way.

When prophets experience visions of the future, they’re incapable of understanding what they’re seeing, because they can’t conceive of how their current world could change. If a prophet from ancient times saw an automobile, they’d have nothing to compare it to, so it would appear monstrous and frightening, like a wheel made of fire. Time for them is static and unchanging, so they assume the vision of the car is emblematic of their present time. By the same token, a prophet can get a vision of a major disaster, and go around warning everybody the END IS NIGH! They don’t realize the disaster could occur in the future, possibly thousands of years later.

The OP’s scenario assumes the opposite, that society can induce hallucinations where the world changes by plan instead of chance, and moreover, the plan is part of the hallucination. That makes mass delusion movements such as QAnon even scarier, in that hallucinations become reality when enough people believe.

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Doc Savage, no matter how often you repeat it. :wink:

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At some point, we hallucinated that it was Sampson instead of Savage, and…

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We are all living in an autistic child’s snow globe.

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This reads very much like a stoner question to me, and I think it helps me understand you more. You don’t want an answer. You’re just enjoying the navel gazing. Which, well, I guess MPSIMS is the place for that. IMHO would be where you’d post if you wanted other opinions.

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Tuesday, heretic!

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Another heretic. It is a normal child’s autistic snow globe.

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When the Matrix came out, one reviewer mentioned its “Dorm Room Metaphysics”.

I can tell you stories of Steve’s dorm room… pot haze and cheap beer 'til 2am on a school night. And lots of “Dude, what if we’re just part of Isaiah’s fever dream from his really bad acid trip with Amos and Hosea?”

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OP, you ok? If you’re on a bad acid trip or just wiggin’ out, relax, you’ll be okay. But stay away from sharp utensils and keyboards.

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If we’re all in Isaiah’s dream, then it means that all the contemporaries of Isaiah are still alive. There are other people living in what we now call Israel and Palestine and Greece and Western Europe and Africa and China and the Americas.

Are they in this dream with us ? If there are 9000 million humans in the dream now, are those original participants more authentic than the others ? Am I one of them ?

Or are they having their own dreams, each with their own countless characters living histories different from ours, and possibly using IBM phones instead of Android ?

Or has time stopped for Isaiah’s contemporaries too, because Isaiah has not wound his watch not filled his clepsydra ?