Allah Does Not Love You (Chick Tract).

[Sampiro]

*Originally posted by MSU 1978 *
**Being a relative newbie, I’ve often wondered why Jack Chick’s group pops up in the GD as often as it does. Seems to me that it is a pretty small intolerant and ill-informed sect, with few members and little or no influence on modern Christianity. Why does it warrant the attention? **

For me, it’s the ubiquity of those damned little things. I’ve had them left on my door, on my porch, in my mailbox, etc., several times. I’ve found them in ICU waiting rooms, doctor’s offices, dentist’s offices, in the forms rack at the courthouse, in books at the public library, even once in the tray of a Coke machine. I left a gay bar once to find the “Sodom” one under my windshield wiper and found one another time after coming out of an arthouse theater showing JESUS OF MONTREAL.
Admittedly I live in the small-town south, so the problem may not be as pronounced other places. For me it isn’t the influence exerted by Chick, which is minimal- he’s confirmation bias if there ever was such an “author”- it’s the mentality that his “tracts” reflects that’s so disturbing. The near absolute ignorance of those who believe his writings is incredible, and the depiction of a God that I can’t even imagine anybody with even a trace amount of compassion worshipping is disturbing enough to warrant an occasional mention on these boards.

[superfreakicus]

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp
big daddy?

[tracer]

Re: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp

*Originally posted by ElJeffe *
Hmm. Seems to me that the kind of Muslim who would say “I could kill you for saying bad things about Allah!” would’ve offed that guy by the fifth panel.

That’s what’s so hysterical about this particular Chick tract.

CHRISTIAN TOURIST: “Look! See? This pre-Islamic statue of a moon god looks like the symbol for Islam!”
MUSLIM MAN: “<GASP> Oh, my goodness! You’re right! That obviously proves that my whole religion is a lie and that therefore Jesus is the One True Way!”

(Maybe Jack Chick just wishes it were that easy to convert people.)

[MSU_1978]

*Originally posted by Sampiro *
**For me, it’s the ubiquity of those damned little things. I’ve had them left on my door, on my porch, in my mailbox, etc., several times. I’ve found them in ICU waiting rooms, doctor’s offices, dentist’s offices, in the forms rack at the courthouse, in books at the public library, even once in the tray of a Coke machine. **

Dang, I must be lucky. I’d never even heard of the Chick sect until I began to read SDMB.

[Cessandra]

Um, maybe this is niave, but what do Muslims believe about Jesus claiming to be the Son of God? Do they believe he was lying? Mistaken? Or do they simply not believe that he ever said such a thing?

[Azael]

*Originally posted by Cessandra *
**Um, maybe this is niave, but what do Muslims believe about Jesus claiming to be the Son of God? Do they believe he was lying? Mistaken? Or do they simply not believe that he ever said such a thing? **

That’s what I wanted know as well…

Did some looking and found…

REGARDING THE SONSHIP OF JESUS:

"That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for God  to  take  a  son unto Him. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing, He  but  says  to  it 'Be', and it is." (Qur'an 19:34, 35) 

"And they say, 'the All-Merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have indeed advanced something hideous. The  heavens are well nigh rent of it and the earth split  asunder,  and  the  mountains  well  nigh fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son; and it behooves not the  All-Merciful  to  take  a  son.  None  is there in the heavens and earth but he  comes  to  the  All-Merciful  as  a  servant."  (Qur'an 19:88-93) 

"Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's  sight, is as Adam's likeness; He created him of dust, then said He  unto  him, 'Be', and he was." (Qur'an 3:59) 

"People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the Truth. The  Messiah,  Jesus, son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His  Word  that  He  committed  to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in  God  and  His  Messengers,  and say not, 'Three.' Refrain; better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be to Him - that He should have  a  son!  To  Him  belongs  all that is in the heavens and in the earth; God suffices for a guardian." (Qur'an 4:171) 
B. REGARDING JESUS BEING GOD: 

"And when God said, 'O Jesus, son  of  Mary, did you say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart  from  God?"' He said, 'To You be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no  right to. If I indeed said it, You knew it, knowing what is  within  my  soul,  and  I  do not know what is within Your soul; You know the  things  unseen. I only said to them what You did command me: "Serve God,  my  Lord  and  your  Lord." And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You  are the witness of everything.'" (Qur'an 5:116, 117) 

From here.

[Cessandra]

But that doesn’t really address Jesus claiming to be the Son of God – it addresses whether he IS the Son of God and whether he claimed to be a god. Sort of different, isn’t it?

[Alien2022]

Well, the sad thing is how the uneducated take Chick so literally. Jack Chick to me, is the epitomy of religious fanaticism, and the problems inherent to religion but more specifically Christianity. I don’t have a problem with most Christians, but I have a huge problem with fundamentalists.

[sqweels]

The site linked by Azeal addressed the issue pretty unambiguously. What then is the Christian response?

[Cessandra]

It does? Not in the part he quoted, and it’s a LOT of text to look through… I don’t see it. Show me where it says Jesus lied/was mistaken/never said he was the Son of God.

[Azael]

If that wasn’t clear enough for you Cessandra (and I’m not sure it was for me either) then here’s another site that might give you more perspective.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm

The gist it seems, is that Muslims do not believe that Jesus ever made the literal claim that he was God, instead that has been a dogma built up in the Christian Church.

Someone please correct me if I have it wrong… we seem to be in short supply of Muslims here lately.

[martin_ibn_martin]

*Originally posted by Libertarian *
**Jack Chick knows as much about Allah as he does about Jesus. **

I have yet to see either in this particular thread.

[martin_ibn_martin]

*Originally posted by sqweels *
**Where can I find a site where Christian and Muslim fundamentalists debate each other without moderates like us getting caught in the crossfire? **

I actually meant to quote this one.

Martin

[superfreakicus]

I doubt either one is on the net.

or at least use nick’s on the messageboard.

[martin_ibn_martin]

*Originally posted by Azael *
**If that wasn’t clear enough for you Cessandra (and I’m not sure it was for me either) then here’s another site that might give you more perspective.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm

The gist it seems, is that Muslims do not believe that Jesus ever made the literal claim that he was God, instead that has been a dogma built up in the Christian Church.

Someone please correct me if I have it wrong… we seem to be in short supply of Muslims here lately. **

Simply…We do not believe that Jesus ever claimed Divinity or any relationship to The Creator other than Prophethood. If The New Testament is percieved to make such a claim, it is due to misinterpretation, mistranslation, or a corrupted text.

In any Prophetic Message, only the actual words of the Prophet are considered to be valid. The words of observers are mere commentary, not divinely inspired. The words of writers 40+ years after the fact are less reliable. The four Canonical Gospels are of value as a glimpse of oral tradition regarding Jesus at the time of their writing.

Martin

The token muslim, it seems:D