Alternative Rap... ?

I am casually (but very) into hip-hop and rap, whichever you want to call it. Urban music with beats and rhymes, references to rock and R&B. Anyway, my entire exposure to hip-hop so far has mostly been Top 40 radio, with occasional glimpses from college station rap shows and the CD collections of friends. I just know that there is a wealth of rap/hip-hop out there that is probably infinitely better than what’s on the radio (since all my other favorite music is the relatively obscure stuff - my favorite country band is Uncle Tupelo and my favorite rock band is Grandaddy, for example).

The “radio rap” that I like the best is usually from Eminem, OutKast, Snoop Dogg, 50 Cent, Missy Elliott, Nelly, Lauren Hill, Murphy Lee, Chingy, Big Tymerz, Tupac. (Maybe later I can think of some more.) I love the beats, wordplay, attitudes, and love what I hear on the radio, but I’d also like to hear expressions of other lives as well - not just famous or gangsta ones. I’d like to start buying some CDs from hip-hop artists, and I think I’m going to start with Missy Elliott and OutKast. But I’d like to know what other, rarer, and (perhaps) better stuff other Dopers are into. Please help me to expand my hip-hop horizons by suggesting some alternative artists that I might like! Thanks in advance.

Well if you like Outkast, you could try their side band, The Dungeon Family. I think that stuff is comparable with Outkast’s own records.

I’m also partial to Rehab. They have an interesting perspective and beats. Try some stuff off of their album Southern Discomfort.

Finally - I don’t know if you would like it at all - but I have become slightly obsessed with DJ Danger Mouse’s remix of Jay-Z’s Black Album and samples from the Beatles’ white album. It’s called the Grey Album. The mixing is incredible, but I don’t know if Jay-Z’s lyrical flow is to your liking. If so, then you should be able to find it online.

Hope that helps.

  • PeterWiggen

Cee Lo Green is great too. Used to be affiliated with OutKast and Goodie Mob. He has a new album out, and it’s spectacular.

I’m contractually obligated to mention De La Soul and Tribe Called Quest, simply because they’re true classics of the “reality rap” genre.

Also check out the Roots. Their schtick is that they’re an excellent hip-hop group, but they do all their music with live instruments, as opposed to synths, loops, samples, etc.

There’s lots and lots more. My advice is to stay as far away from radio rap as humanly possible.

You forgot what is largely considered the #1 all-time rap band: Public Enemy. If you get one of their CDs, be sure to get either Fear of a Black Planet or Apocalypse '91. Everything after sucks and everything before is just a warm-up.

Despite the fact that Chuck D routinely comes in #2 or #3 in the all-time best rapper lists, I think he’s the most important rapper ever. Besides, with the S1Ws, Terminator X and Flava Flav, you round out the crew with the best there are.

My personal favorite, however, is Do or Die, a group from Chicago that was on the verge of making it big, but, like most things from Chicago, fell flat at the crucial point (in this case, someone decided that Bone Thugz was more radio-friendly and since the style of rapping was similar, DoD got cut). Their backing tracks are, like PE actual songs as opposed to short looped samples and there’s a lot of texture in it. They also use a wide variety of styles in their songs, from R&B to almost techno. Unlike most other rappers who have to put in an obligatory slow song, their slow songs are typically better than their faster/harder ones.

The crew itself is three guys with lots of obligatory guest stars and the interplay between them is great, often with one guy rapping, one guy providing emphasis and the last guy barely audible, but going off on another track entirely. Headz or Tailz is, IMO, the best rap CD ever, something you actually have to listen to and Back to tha Game is uneven at best, but if you listen to [roughly] every other track, it’s great. I don’t recomment Victory as it sounds like they tried too hard to sound mainstream. Haven’t listened to their first or latest though.

Oh, is this my forte, or what? Indie hip hop is my thing; I listen to it, know it, DJ and create it.

Independent Hip Hip is going through an absolute renaissance right now, akin to what happened to indie rock in the 80s with labels like rough trade, SST, even sub pop and dischord later in the decade.

The basic primer looks something like this - there are several labels/crews, each with their own aesthetic, and each putting out absolutely amazing stuff.

Begin with Definitive Jux records records, based out of New York and run by underground legend EL-P. After Company Flow (one of the first major “indie rap” groups in the 1990s - their “funcrusher plus” record is essential) broke up in 2000, EL-P started Def Jux records. Their first four releases - Cannibal Ox’s “the cold vein,” Aesop Rock’s “Labor Days,” RJD2’s “deadringer,” and EL-P’s own “Fantastic Damage” -were just flawless. They’re easily four of the strongest hip hop records released in the past 20 years, all insta-classics that are eye-opening in their inventiveness, raw skill, intelligence, artistic vision, and originality. Also, their recent releases by Murs, Mr. Lif, and others have been amazingly dope.

In '98, DJ Shadow started

Quannum Projects, a re-launch of the legendary Solesides crew from the early 90s. If you haven’t heard DJ Shadow’s genre-defining “Endtroducing” from '96, pick it up immediately. Constructed entirely from samples and intricately edited and programmed, the record defined a new era in hip hop production while looking to the influences of of the past 30 years of rock, soul and funk, jazz, and hip hop.

Quannum are based out of Bay Area San Francisco, so they have the whole “conscious” hip hop aesthetic going. Unlike the unabashed furturists at Def Jux, the Quannum sound is more about the heyday of classic hip hop, rapping over those dusty funk breaks and grooves. From Quannum, Blackalicious’ records “Nia” and “Blazing Arrow” are amazing, and the recent Gift of Gab solo record was stellar. Lyrics Born also recently released a great one on Quannum, and the Lifesavas show a ton of promise.

Next up is Stones Throw Records, run by Peanut Butter Wolf. His '97 album, “My vinyl weighs a ton,” was an underground classic. PB Wolf is an amazing producer who makes dusty, vintage sample-based tracks, and he teamed up with some amazing underground MC’s for that record. The Lootpack’s “soundpieces: da antidote” was another great release from that era.

But Stones Throw didn’t really pick up until Madlib, a member of the Lootpack, broke out on his own, releasing the album “The Unseen” under the name/alter-ego Quasimoto. Madlib soon debuted his one-man jazz/funk band, Yesterday’s New Quintet, in which he plays all the instruments. Since then, he’s blown up, doing a whole record of remixes for Blue Note records (“Shades of Blue”), and teaming up with MF Doom (on the “Madvillain” record) and Jay Dee (on the “Jaylib” album). Madlib is easily one of the biggest indie-hop talents, and Stones Throw’s breakout artist.

But that’s not all- Stones Throw has released a ton of other great stuff, like the recent solo record (secondary protocol) by Lootpack member Wildchild and a series of rare funk 7"'s.

Finally, we get to the most controversial group/crew/label, Anticon. The Anticon crew is made up of white midwesterners raised on indie rock, who cross-pollinate indie rock and hip hop, and vice versa. The result- jagged, lo-fi beats made on 4-track recorders in bedrooms, rapping into headphones run through old guitar pedals, and songs about everything but urban living. It’s this combination - the avoidance of tradition, the midwestern/suburban perspective, the whiteness- that causes the controversy, as many “b-boys” feel that Anticon isn’t “real” hip hop because of this combination. However, they’re making some of the most amazingly creative, different, and challenging music in any genre, and hip hop has always been about pushing the envelope and bringing new ideas and sounds into the canon.

The essential Anticon records are Clouddead’s self-titled record (“sounds like people rapping over radiohead”), Sole’s “selling live water” (blisteringly angry and incredbly wordy), Why?‘s “Oaklandazulasylum” (bedroom folk-hop), as well as Themselves’ “the no music”, along with releases by Buck 65, Alias, etc. etc.

Those are the four “big crews” that seem to be doing the best and most representative stuff in the indie/alternative hip hop world.

But don’t forget to check out MF Doom. Formerly known as Zev Love X when he was a member of the 80’s group KMD, Doom does traditional hip hop that’s a bit too esoteric, wordy, and weird for the mainstream. He makes all of his own beats (favoring bizarre 80’s funk and jazz) and drops amazing verses on top of them. His “operation doomsday” is a classic, and he’s released five volumes of “special herbs” instrumental records. He came out with another great record last year under the name King Gheedorah, and then another under the name “Victor Von Doom,” which found him rapping on other producer’s beats instead of his own.

I hope that’s a decent primer to get started; there’s a ton more out there. Any of those websites should have plenty of sound and video samples for you to check out their stuff. Hope it helps!

Buck 65 has a wonderfully skewed perspective on everyday life, rapping about living in suburbia, playing with trainsets, imagining what it would like to be a centaur, etc. He’s the shit right now in the Canadian indie scene, and I think he even won Best Alternative album at this year’s Junos.

It’s old, but The Disposable Heroes of Hiphopracy still pack a punch.

Peaches Rocks!

You Ginch!

Check that sheet out!

It’s official: **FreeJooky ** is my current favorite Doper. Even the DJs at the world’s greatest radio station (Seattle’s KEXP) hadn’t heard of Sole before I gave them copies of Selling Live Water.

Sole’s about my favorite thing to listen to nowadays, with some Atmosphere and Sage Francis thrown in there too. But sometimes I gotta get my mainstream rap on: Missy, CeeLo, Outkast (which leads me straight back to Fishbone), Naz–and by then I’m ready to go back and start the Sole all over again.

Oh yeah, in both senses: their recordings are still great of course, and the current projects by the same guy–Michael Franti, also of Spearhead–are essential.

You’re right about Outkast—> Fishbone. I’ve thought that since they went “pop,” but nobody else seems to have made the connection. I still think “Aquemini” is their masterpiece, and it’s been kind of downhill from there.