I’m reading articles like this which see her being next POTUS as almost a sure thing. She’s smart and effective etc., but I just don’t think she has the likability required to get a majority of the votes in the next election. I have not voted Republican in Presidential election some for some time, but if Christie could lose some weight he would (IMO) mop the floor with her.
She’s got an uphill battle to be sure, just for the nomination. I don’t think the right’s hatred of her can be underestimated. I wouldn’t put money on her to win at this point. She may not even run. After all she’s done, and giant crapstorm she’d face if she ran, nobody could blame her for staying home in 2016.
But I wouldn’t put mobey on her to lose either. Should she run and get the Dem nod, we’ll see. That won’t be until a few months before the election, when we’ll have a very definite idea of the election’s story arc. The GOP’s love of The Crazy cannot be underestimated either. By mid-2016 the party of Lincoln may have offended everyone.
I think Obama’s election makes Hillary’s chances better. He broke into an exclusive white, male club. And his opponent had a woman for a running mate. I don’t think her sex is as much of a drawback as it might have been years ago.
I can’t imagine her even running, so she has no chance.
That said, she is a lightening rod for a certain (vocal) segment of the GOP. She will never announce her intentions so that the GOP will spend time, money, and effort fighting an opponent that won’t be running. This will be her contribution to the Dems.
Not her sex, her age.
She’d be 69, not a spring chicken, but younger then McCain or Reagan were. Assuming her health holds up, I don’t think her age would be a big deal.
Meh, she doesn’t need the Rights votes to win the Dem nomination, and if she does win it, the Right’s hatred will be exactly as intense as it will be for literally any other Democratic Presidential Nominee.
I think the inevitability talk is kinda silly since she was supposed to be inevitable in 2008 too, and tuned out to be completley…evitable. But her main problems are just those she had in 2008, she is a kind of mediocre campaigner and is very closely linked in peoples minds with a sort of “good-old-boys (and girls)” democratic establishment. I don’t think her age, gender or being strongly disliked by the Rush Limbaugh’s of the world are really going to hurt her.
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If there is one single thing that would bring the Republican vote out in record numbers it would be Hillary running as the Democratic candidate IMHO.
She is 65 now. I’m pretty sure either she feels it or the electorate feels it, but I think most voters want someone that age-wise has more vigor. I think this alone is virtually a deal killer
Or accounted for. They’re used to the existence of Dems and of female Dems. Where is all that Hillary-hate coming from?!
I think the right-wing apoplexy about Hillary Clinton was a real and significant, and unique phenomenon 15 or 20 years ago. However, now the right-wing apoplexy applies equally to every Democratic politician, so I don’t think it is anything to be concerned about.
I’d have said that six years ago, but looking at the irrational frothing going on about Obama–that had basically no effect on his re-election–I don’t think it matters any more. The segment of the right that hate her aren’t going to vote for any democrat, ever, anyway.
Hillary has a better chance of winning than Hanoi Jane, but just barely. She’s seen as a man hating gun grabbing ultra liberal. I look forward to seeing her dream of being POTUS crushed decisively by Super Tuesday.
The media and the blogosphere loves talking to itself. They care about the Clintons because the Clintons are gods in the “inside politics” world. They’re extremely visible and extremely successful in ways that nobody else, not even Obama, has been. Everybody wants to touch their hems. Writing about the Clinton proves their insiderness. It’s their Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga. Besides, writing about the Clintons gets readers. Writing about real candidates won’t achieve any clickthrough. It’s the ultimate meaninglessness.
Will Hillary run? She wants to be President, I’m sure. Her time was 2008 and I’m sure her view is that she would have won if it weren’t for the uniqueness of Obama. Nobody is like that out of the horizon.
But at the same time, Obama exposed her weaknesses. She was a “past” candidate; he was a “future” candidate. She’s old and looks old in a world increasingly slanted toward youth. She has name recognition like nobody else, but that includes negatives like nobody else. Everybody has already made up their minds about her. That didn’t translate into broad enthusiastic support in 2008 and I can’t see why that would improve in any way in 2016. In fact, approval for her has dropped since she retired. Three different polls in June showed this. (Remember, never trust a single poll. Only multiple independent simultaneous polls or a time line of polls have even minimal value.) That drop is probably from the attacks over Benghazi and from her being perceived as a more political person now that she’s out of office. The positives are still good - better than Obama - but she’s trending into iffy territory.
Without overwhelming public support, what’s in it for the big guns in the party? The Clintons are hated by lots of Democrats they’ve crossed. Obama may make a truce with them, but he’s not going to publicly support her candidacy. She’s testing the waters now, but I’m not seeing enthusiasm outside her cadre of worshippers.
I’ve been saying since November that she won’t run. I’m sticking to that. She wants to, probably more than I realized, but I’m betting that she won’t attempt a candidacy that she isn’t positive that she’ll win. Two public humiliations to younger candidates would be too many.
Ignore the pundits. Remember the Nate Silver quote: “Punditry Is Fundamentally Useless”.
And thanks to Oakminister for quick proof of Typo Knig’s truth.
Get used to saying it: President Hillary Clinton. You’ll be saying it from 2017 to 2025. Those that hate her now are the same folks who are forwarding all the anti-Obama glurge. If having guns is your most important issue, then you wouldn’t be voting for any Democrat under any circumstance anyway. We don’t need your vote. Name a Republican who can beat her: Rand Paul? I don’t think so. He’s just Eddie Haskell with an ego. Chris Christie? No chance for the nomination. Ted Cruz? Surely you jest. It’s going to be a landslide. President Hillary and Speaker Nancy and Harry Reid in power in the Senate. It’s going to be legen … wait for it… dary!
There won’t be any more right-wing apoplexy over Hillary than there was over Obama because there CAN’T be. They haven’t been holding back, they’ve been in full “the world is going to end if a Democrat wins” mode the whole time. Hillary won’t make that any worse, they have nothing left to make it worse. Obama took the worse they had and won fairly easily, Christie is currently more hated by the GOP base than Hillary so he has zero chance at the nomination. President Clinton is about as sure a thing as her desire to run makes it.
The Dems haven’t even won three in a row since FDR/Truman. Four in a row is unthinkable in this era. Not going to happen.
Depends on who the Republicans put up. You throw up a Perry or Santorum or some shit-for-brains like that, then get used to losing.
And Obama is seen as a whitey hating, gun grabbing ultra-liberal. And yet he’s two for two. It might be time to consider the possibility that Limbaughian talking points are a poor gauge for the perception of the general public.
The bookmakers in London are posting odds on the 2016 nominations and election.
GOP is close, with frontrunners Rubio, Ryan, Jeb Bush, Christie, Portman.
For the Democrats, Ms. Clinton is strongly favored, with Biden, Cuomo, O’Malley almost tied for second. Rounding out the top six contenders are two other women: Kirsten Gillibrand and Elizabeth Warren.
They show Winning Party as essentially 50-50.
Actually this could be a really good experiment in
**“*Just How Bad Can The Republican Party Shoot Itself In the Foot?!” ***
By logic Hillary should get trounced, unless the Republican party runs a campaign as bad as, or dear God worse than, McCain/Palin ticket.
Seriously, Republicans, there are a good number of us in the middle who really would consider a Republican candidate, but you gotta help us out here…