American civilians are legitimate targets in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

[RedFury]

@DSeid

An update on the above story.

Israeli defense officials on Thursday said there were around 1,300 Palestinians killed during the fighting in Gaza and that a majority of them were Hamas operatives.

Italian media confirms Gazan medic’s report that only 500 killed in operation, mostly Hamas gunmen

– bolding mine.

Wot?

[DSeid]

Italian media confirms that they have a Gazan medic claiming the smaller number - see my post #479. They are standing by the report that the medic said this and their other eyewitness reports. The IDF says, no, the number isn’t that low. That it was @1300 dead, and that they believe about 1/3 of the dead are civilians and the other 2/3 were militia members. The UN agrees with Israel’s rough total numbers and offeres no comment on percent militia vs civilian. Palestinian sources claim that 2/3 of those killed were civilians.

[FinnAgain]

We’ll probably know more as investigations are conducted.

The facts themselves, also, require analysis and contain uncertainly. For instance, the a rough tally of women and children doesn’t tell us anything. Hamas has used women as suicide bombers and enforcers of its policies. It’s used children as suicide bombers and gunmen. Children as young as 14 or 15 have been used by terrorist factions in the region for suicide bombing operations. Just knowing the tally of women and children doesn’t tell us much, unfortunately.

[advanced_lamer]

@newcrasher

The Palestinians in Gaza are packed almost 4 times as densely as people in the City of Richmond.

Dont know about Richmond, but Singapore, Monaco and Gibraltar are far more packed than Gaza. I guess Monaco should fire rockets at France now.

The difference is that the people of Gaza cannot enter or leave. Israel controls all of Gaza’s airspace, all of its coastline and sea routes, and all of its land entrances.

There is no single Israeli between Gaza and Egypt. But Egyptians dont want to see Palestinians, so they built 13 feet wall.

For centuries there was a country called Palestine and in one letter the British declared it the “national home of the Jewish people”.

There never was a country called “Palestine”.

After the Arab-Israeli War of 1948 over 700,000 Palestinians fled to Golan, the West Bank, and Gaza. These people are still living in squalid refugee camps 60 years later, unable to return home.

In about same period of time 850 thousand Jews were expelled from Arab countries. But tiny Israel absorbed them. 22 huge Arab countries refuse to abosrd 700 Arab refugees.

Once again things have boiled over and Hamas is lashing out at Israel with the most powerful weapons they have, Qassam rockets. These rockets are fueled by sugar and potassium nitrate and have no guidance system.

50.3% of the population of Gaza is under the age of 14. They are packed together with little opportunity and less hope.

In 2005 Israel left Gaza. Israel left them industrial zone Erez and greenhouses. Palestinians turned all this to sites for luanching rockets.

These things are terrible to consider and I pray they never happen. However right now Israeli troops are invading Gaza in Merkava tanks and F-16 fighter planes paid for with $10 billion per year of your tax dollars. (each American sends about $33 annually)

2.6 billion, virtually all of it returns back to USA.

As financier of the current invasion of Gaza, you are making yourself a legitimate target. When it happens (God forbid), we will be dismayed, but we should not be surprised.

I bet 1 billion Indians have right to kill Americans for financing Pakistan. :smack: In fact USA is financing Gaza as well.

[Gala_Matrix_Fire]

This thread reminds me of this article about Israel’s call for an "Army of Bloggers"to represent Israel on anti-Zionist web sites, and presumably in forums like this one.

[FinnAgain]

Presumably the Dope has already been insidiously infiltrated.
The rational assumption certainly isn’t that Dopers are arguing their positions, but that Israel is somehow directing them.
Go Gala go, ferret out those Zionist agents of propaganda!

[Alessan]

You know, just because someone might have an agenda, that doesn’t mean their points aren’t valid. Lawyers have agendas, yet judges still allow them to speak in court.

I’d go further and say that everyone has an agenda; some of us are honest enough to admit it.

[amanset]

@RedFury

– bolding mine.

Wot?

I listened to a BBC Newspod this morning from the 23rd of January. In one of the segments a BBC presenter is talking to an Israeli spokesman and the issue of this Italian report came up.

It was quite amusing to hear the BBC presenter take issue with the Israeli spokesman taking the the Italian report as fact (using the word “shows” rather than “claims”) whilst at the same time dismissing the BBC’s reports as the Israelis hadn’t investigated them yet.