American Ninja Warrior

Huh. I wasn’t sure I’d even be covering the Family Championship. It’s the usual dilemma: I want to say stuff about it, but I don’t feel like making the effort to say stuff about it. Having seen the whole exercise from start to finish, it all seems very familiar, very unremarkable, very…skippable.

Ah well. :man_shrugging: Now that Ninja vs. Ninja and USA vs. The World are history, this is pretty much the only team competition game in town. I’ll just cover the things I can be arsed to point out and call it a season.

0:00 And right away I have issues. The intro guy (don’t know who; he didn’t sound like Eyes or Bodge) cheerfully opens with how ANW has always been about families. :roll_eyes: Seriously. Lessee…I remember Chris and Brian Wilczewski, Rob Moravsky stunk up the joint on TNW a couple times, Brent Steffensen hooking up with Kacy Catanzaro was a pretty big deal…and that’s it. It’s pretty obvious that this wasn’t simply something NBC thought was a cool idea, there was a reason they wanted a FAMILY CHAMPIONSHIP, but it’s still a bit startling how blatant this new “We’ve always been at war with Childlessia!” attitude is. I don’t think it’s entirely lingering fallout from Drew Dreschel (who thankfully was caught before he could do any real damage) or the new youth movement, either. It comes across mostly like a PR stunt, a way to convince the rubes that this is still an everyman’s game and you don’t have to be scared off by unstoppable superpowered death machines like Kaden Lebsack. “See, see? Not-great guys can still have a place here! You could be one of them! Please don’t leave us!”

0:02 There are 10 teams of 3 taking 2 obstacles each of a 6-obstacler, which they’ll run twice (no one can run the same leg twice), plus a 4-team Power Tower at the end. Given how (relatively) brisk quallies courses are, especially taking away the fatigue factor, you’d think 2 hours would be sufficient to fit everything in, if a little tight. But of course they gotta have profiles, and they gotta have interviews, and they gotta have a couple big weepfests, which means…oh yeah…the inaugural Family Championship has…oh yes…waiweewuwwaweis. :rage: (This crap is just out of control now…) On top of being really insulting to the shafted contestants, it’s annoying to see the producers clumsily try to cover up their incredibly blatant machinations. Take tonight’s initial offering, for example, the Lewises. They’re here because one of them is an old football colleague of Bodge. That’s it. They’re hopeless. Cannon fodder. Meat on the table. They get 2 points out of a possible 6 in the first round, which Eyes calls a “promising start”. :man_facepalming: Given that this was the lowest score in the first round, naturally they’d go first in the second so as not to risk getting mathematically eliminated early and their run being completely meaningless, right? That only makes common sense, right? Guess what, they got a waiweewuwwawei…after 3 teams had already gone. (And got totally skunked, but that’s neither here nor there.) Yeah, wasn’t born yesterday, pal. See, given that Bodge already hyped up this team so much despite the fact that it couldn’t compete, it wouldn’t do to have them go first and have their night ended right then and there, for the obvious reason that the viewers would completely stop thinking about them. So the producers drag it out, tease, make it look like they have a puncher’s chance when anyone who’s not blind can see that they don’t. I’m amazed as you are that I’ve wasted this many keystrokes on them. :woman_shrugging:

0:06 The Webers. Dad’s pretty strong. 4 points.

0:12 3WA, the Johnstons. (Y’know what, nowadays I think the main purpose of a 3WA isn’t to save time, it’s to reduce the time spent on the boring actual run so they can focus on the important things like crowd shots and hugging and weeping and shouting nonsense. :angry:) I got nuthin’. 4 points.

0:13 The Chois. The big story tonight is Jimmy Choi, who has Parkinson’s, and it’s getting worse, so this might possibly potentially maybe be the last time you ever see him on national television, I guess, sorta, kinda. :roll_eyes: Of course he nails both his obstacles proving that it doesn’t matter if blah blah blah you’ve heard it a billion times by now. 4 points.

0:23 3WA, the Auers. Puntastic. And Josh is still known for one article of clothing and absolutely nothing else. :weary: 4 points.

0:25 The Heinrichses. Big daughter Annabella was in ANWJ2 (briefly). Shark enthusiasts. Strong girls! 6 points! :+1:

0:36 3WA…oh, hey, it’s Underdressed! Never thought I’d see “synchronized pants ripping” on this show. :woman_shrugging: 3 points.

0:37 The Beckstrands, led, naturally, by Kai, who finished either 3rd or 4th in ANWJ2 (I was well into “waiting for it to be over so I could get back to Lone Wolf” mode at that point). Oh, look, they have mohawks a mere two decades after everyone stopped giving a damn! :expressionless: Naturally the profile says jack bupkis about his 3rd/4th because NBC didn’t get clearance from the Flying Warped Wall Monster to acknowledge the existence of a junior event tonight. :rage: They’re powerhouses. 6 points.

0:47 The O’dells. Amanda, you may remember if you did a search on this thread, defies the prevailing image of a lunch lady, which apparently counts as a Proto-Acceptable Story now. (What the frack does “Purpose Over Podium” mean? :confused:) 4 points.

0:56 The Zimmermans. Sandy, of course, is the FMETHB, which I’m abbreviating because I’m sick and tired of hearing about it. Little disappointed Lindsey didn’t make…ah…“the cut”. :man_facepalming: (Oh, and thanks for all the uncanny-valley face cutouts, that’s just what this night needed. :grimacing:) 4 points.

Gah. Let’s just skip ahead a bit…

1:37 Beckstrands and Zimmermans on top with 10 and Heinrichses and Auers with 9, top four advancing to the Power Tower, with only the Chois to go. If they clear either 5 or 6 obstacles NBC is going to need some kind of tiebreaker (which no one’s mentioned all night) to decide who gets left in the cold. Naturally I’m rooting for this to happen because it’ll be the first even remotely interesting thing that’s happened this entire tepid humdrum vanilla rah-rah contest.

Father Jimmy Choi is going first, remarkably youthful-looking cousin Minkay Yu is second, and spunky 13-year-old daughter Karina Choi has the anchor. Keep that in mind.

1:38 Jimmy does the ascending step-slash-rope swing with no difficulty, then struggles on the bar-platform-bar-whatever but makes it. Man, isn’t only having to do two obstacles the greatest? :man_shrugging: Minkay then runs through the big rotatey wheels; takes a fall, but stays alive. Now the sideways snowboard hopalong, and…not a prayer.

1:39 Karina has a few really close calls but gets through the shaky hang planks. Now…aw, geez. Yeah, that’s just how they planned it, a small teenage girl face with the big, unforgiving wall with the weight of a freaking galaxy on her shoulders. :angry: The real hell of it is, if this was the 12-foot junior wall, she would’ve nailed it easily. As it is, she came up a hair short, and this will forever be known as the failure which ended Jimmy Choi’s ninja career. You know what, if I’m him, I delay retirement by one event just so she doesn’t have to take any crap for that. What were these people THINKING?? :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

1:48 Zimmermans show poor course sense and get absolutely obliterated by the Auers, then the Heinrichses get an early lead but their two girls get completely steamrolled by the Beckstrands’ two boys (I hate to see this happen, I really do. :slightly_frowning_face:). When you have athletes of widely varying abilities, you tend to get mismatches, who knew.

1:58 Auers win yay good night drive home safely.

I wouldn’t say this was a bad event, or an unpleasant event. But it wasn’t a good event either. It was just…an event. Don’t know how else to put it.

Hey, y’know what would make this better? If it were BIGGER. That’s all it really needs. To be this grand, wild, multi-day spectacle like NvN. With dozens of contestants and a plethora of obstacles and matchups. (I’d feel the same way about the Women’s Championship if only they could find enough women.)

Interesting news… someone leaked their acceptance letter for the next season of ANW, and…
(1) Semifinals will now feature side-by-side racing, winner advances to Vegas
(2) They are filming the next two seasons back-to-back

Here’s an image of the letter

Hey, thanks. This is some real inside baseball here. I’d much appreciate a reliable news site reporting on this (American Ninja Warrior Nation is dead, there’s nothing on Primetimer, and neither Twitter or YouTube has anything useful). It sounds like a major shakeup, and that doesn’t happen without a good reason.

As it is, all I have is speculation, but it really looks like to me that Team Ninja Warrior/Ninja vs. Ninja is definitely dead. Looking back on it, I never got the feeling that the producers ever really believed in this one. All the format changes, all the rebranding, College Madness being a one-and-done. They wanted certain things (sugar finishes, hard-fought competition, athletes pushing themselves to the limit, miraculous comebacks, nobody getting flipping injured) and either didn’t get them or didn’t get enough of them. The worst part, of course, is that when they hotshotted two favorites together in the opener to get a thrilling finish (:man_facepalming::rage:), the usual result was that the winner romped over later opposition, which is even worse. I think a lot of power brokers were genuinely upset that real competition doesn’t produce reality TV results. As for American Ninja Warrior Junior? I’m thinking of getting a quickie Peacock subscription just to catch what I missed (I know, I know, I’ve flipflopped on this like eight times by now), but from what I’ve seen it looked like everyone, none more than Eyes and Bodge, was fighting super hard to keep this on the rails. It had all the difficulties of NvN with the added headache of emotionally immature athletes who haven’t yet internalized “don’t cry”, “don’t do stuff that’ll get you hurt”, and “act like you’ve been there before”. And of course, anytime a network pulls a show from television to the gated community of streaming, that’s a red flag.

Bringing battles (touge reference :wink:) to the main show was almost certainly done for one reason: eliminate the curbstomps. By having the athletes prove themselves before putting them in the arena, that gives a much better chance of a real contest. It’s not foolproof (as we’ve seen on the Power Tower many times), but it’s the best shot we have.

Anyway, there’s seeding now, which means that the organizers have FINALLY learned their lesson. That’s more than enough to give me a positive vibe for the upcoming season. :+1:

I’m two parts excited and one part scared/disappointed.

The excited:

  1. I like the increased emphasis on speed. The qualifiers and semi-finals have gotten so technically difficult that speed hasn’t been as much of a factor as I would like.

  2. I don’t know the exact numbers, but I think Vegas is something like the last 3 or 4 episodes in a 12-episode season, or something like that–the majority of the season is qualifiers and semi-finals. Qualifiers and semi-finals were such a similar format that it got to be tiring, and so I love that they’re making semi-finals into something way different than qualifiers.

The fear/disappointment:

  1. If this results in a whole bunch of head-to-heads where teenagers go up against someone much older and knock all the veterans out of the competition before they even get to Vegas, that’s going to be incredibly disappointing – and I think it’s pretty likely to happen, too.

Premiere date for Season 15! June 5! Be sure to set your DVRs…uh, two weeks from now!

Man, I am pumped for this. I don’t care if they fill half the damn airtime with leitmotifs, I need some cheer and goodwill in my television right now.

There was a shot of Jessie Graff in one of the head-to-heads (which they’re calling “Ninja vs. Ninja”, naturally), which must mean that she’s healthy again, which is just super awesome. :+1:

Women’s championship was tonight, and it was excellent. All the big names were there except Meagan Martin.

The overall winner during the final round was a real wow moment. Very impressive.

I would’ve let everyone know about this, but NBC didn’t push this at all, plus I couldn’t find anything about it online. My DVR said it was “S14”, so I figured it was a repeat, and only when I started watching did I realize it was a completely new event…so I guess that makes it the last ANW thing of season 14? :confused: I just don’t know sometimes.

Anyway: Annoying leitmotifs, a gazillion flow-wrecking cutaways, waiweewuwwaweis thrown in at random, too much yelling, and painfully obvious editing decisions. (Wow, the last run in Stage 1 and Stage 2 had the most drama, what an amazing coincidence! :roll_eyes:) Just thought I’d get this all out of the way because it’s exactly the same as it was last season and last last season, and I’m bored of even mentioning it at this point. It’s just how things are now.

My big takeaway was how astonishing quickly the kids have completely taken over. Two of the finallists were 16 and one was 18 (the fourth being Clubhouse, who got wrecked). Meanwhile, Jessie Graff, Sandy Zimmerman, and Tdium were nonentities. I was especially blown away by Katie Bone (whose first foray into ninja-ing, you’ll recall, was “get devoured whole by Kai Beckstrand and vanish off the face of the earth”), who not only dominated both her finals opponents but completed the Stage 2 course, just the second unofficial Stage 2 clear ever. (Regrettably NBC couldn’t properly hype up this fact because, y’know, that guy. :rage:) It’s too early to tell, of course, but I get the feeling she’s going places.

What are you talking about here? Do you mean the second female stage 2 clear? Because it would be the third, after Jessie Graff and Flex Labreck. But I’m also not sure why you would need to mention Drew Dreschel to hype up this fact – so maybe that’s not what you’re talking about.

Also, just because I never watched ANW Junior, what happened there? Was she not invited back? Or did she just not advance very far so she wasn’t a memorable contestant?

I think that Abby Clark (the other finalist) is in fact not a teenager at all, but is 28 or so? Am I wrong? But, your point stands, teenagers rule the roost.

For the most part, I thought this whole episode was pretty good. Exciting runs, fairly few embarrassing falls, not too much heartthrobbery (although in fairness that’s because I fast forwarded through some of the stories that are just “this person loves their family”. Yes, they do. Most of us do).

I do think that ending with stage 4 was a bit of a letdown, particularly given that one of the four competitors is literally a rock climber. Would Katie Bone still have beaten out the other three of the top 4 if they were on iconic-ninja-obstacle-upper-body-destroyer stage 3? Likely. But was there even a chance they were going to touch her on just-straight-climbing stage 4? There was not.

Anyhow, I’m moderately pumped for the new season. Definitely think the head-to-head races should be a totally new dynamic. Will the 30-somethings have any remaining chance at all? Is Daniel Gil still elite? Or will it all be teenagers beating the 20-somethings?

I’m pretty sure she was 14 at the time, which is the maximum age for ANW Junior. There are three ANWJ age groups: 9-10, 11-12, and 13-14.

Labreck got one? When was that? Sorry, I honestly completely forgot about it. As for Graff, it happened in USA vs. The World 3, when she no-resulted her Stage 1 round and Drew Dreschel, who was scheduled to go in Stage 2, gave her his spot, and she ended up finishing it. Unfortunately, since he was such an integral part of that whole event, NBC can’t exactly mention this anymore.

Bone competed in ANWJ2 in the 13-14 division, meaning that she couldn’t compete again until the age limit for the regular event went down. She was in season 14 and was the top women’s finisher along with Abby Clark.

Also in USA vs. the World. It was one of the seasons when they had the wingnuts on stage 2, so either season 9, 10, or 11.

Well, that was different. :astonished:

I remember when the whole spectacle had become such a massive slog, where I’d see human rain delays in quallies, much less semis. No longer. Gone are the sandbaggers, the lovable geezers, the bumbling rookies, the costumed weirdos. Now everything goes at one speed, fast. It’s remarkable, even though there are still no time limits in prelims (in fact I barely saw the clock at all), the longest run I saw in full was like a minute thirty. There were a lot of waiweewuwwaweis, and it looked like a matter of sheer necessity. (The season opener was actually a double episode, so you can expect to see the same density when they switch to one hour next week.) Even the profiles were quick and to the point. (Going back to what I said much earlier about it being much harder to get Acceptable Stories from quality contestants, that definitely was true in the opener. I remember one profile being that he was born premature. Yeah, the big drama was that he struggled to survive once, at the very start of his life, years ago. :roll_eyes:)

Youth was most definitely served. I don’t remember a women’s contingent that was so completely dominated by teenagers since Olympic gymnastics. On the men’s side, Kai Beckstrand was as overwhelming as ever, and at least one other got up the Mega Wall. (Incidentally, qualifying for the money run now requires the contestant to complete the course, including the normal wall, in 1:20 or less, and the start of the runup is blocked off, because apparently NBC is really worried about a rash of 10K giveaways putting them in financial straits. :roll_eyes:) I see no reason for the trend not to continue once the usual suspects like Kaden Lebsack hit the course. This was a very bad night to be a veteran…you need look no further than Brian Kretsch, who had a wrenching what-the-hell-am-I-doing-with-my-life moment after splashing down on the dominoes. Expect these to become more common.

Eyes and Bodge laid the positivity on a little thick, praising even obviously inferior efforts. I can only speculate as to why, but as always I’m certain the increasing impact of the Junior event plays a big part.

I have no idea if queer ninjas actually rule, but seeing Casey Rothschild out and proud is reassuring. :+1:

Oh yeah, something I’ve decided to do this season: run down the “NEENJA VAHSUZZ NEENJA” matchups and see how close they get to the super-intense pulse-pounding nail-biting sugar rushes you know NBC is desperately hoping for! :grin:

Alan Connealy vs. Ramcis Valdez - A tight one at the start, which got gradually looser up to #4 Flying Shelf Grab, which Valdez got to first and promptly lost the handle and splashed. So Connealy only had to get through in whatever time to win…and of course went down about halfway through. :man_shrugging: Winner Valdez. Did I mention how tough it was for the old guys?

Taylor Johnson vs. Avery Glantz - Good news! Johnson hit the buzzer! The reason this is good news is that Glantz (who looked about a foot taller, BTW) totally messed up the running task at the very beginning, giving us the first no result of head-to-heads, so at least we had something worth watching? :woman_facepalming:

Larissa Cottle vs. Joelyn Bennett - Ooh! It was super tight after one! Given that Cottle totally flubbed the bar things, that means if Bennett also goes down here, IT’S GOING TO BE oh never mind she just nailed it and one more on top of that. :woman_shrugging:

Stephen Bachton vs. Glenn Albright - Okay, this ** SPLOOOOSHH ** Bachton goes out earlier than Glantz, are you kidding me? :grimacing:

That’s about all I got. Hopefully I can actually remember more next week!

My thoughts on the premiere:

  1. I really like the new mega wall rule. It’s more fun to see ninjas try to speed through the course than take their time. I have never seen Najee Richardson rush like that before!

  2. Speaking of Najee, his jump onto the pole vault (I think that’s what the first obstacle is called) was the most memorable part of the episode for me. My boyfriend and I just said “Wow!” in unison when we saw it.

  3. They have way fewer competitors this season. I THINK I like it, but I’m still making up my mind. In the second qualifier, two of the people in the run-off only completed one obstacle, and it seems a little ridiculous for people to advance from having completed one obstacle. But I think having fewer competitors enables to see a lot more of the runs, and it was annoying in the past when one of my favorite ninjas would have their run cut.

  4. I like the idea of more run-offs and head-to-head competitions, but it was so poorly executed last night. In three out of the four runs, one of the competitors went down super early and then it was just watching one person whose talent had only taken them to the bottom of the leader board, taking their time through a course full of already-seen obstacles. I hope the head-to-heads get more competitive and exciting from here.

  5. I suspect this season will have more kids advancing than ever. I wish ANW would separate people into age brackets, the same way that they separate men and women. I would rather see a 15-year old race an 18-year old and a 27-year old race a 36-year old than a 15-year old against a 36-year old. I would also love it if there was a separate leaderboard for people over age, say, 25, to guarantee that there was a certain number of veterans still competing in Vegas.

Also, @DKW , where do you see that they switched to one hour next week? I’m curious to know what the format of the show will be going forward, in terms of how long the episodes are and how many episodes are devoted to qualifiers, semis, etc. Do you know anything about that?

He wasn’t just born premature, he was born 4 months premature and weighed only one pound. I think they said he had to have something like 27 surgeries. Google is saying being born that premature offers very little chance of survival, and brings with it lifelong health complications.

TWOMS - The runoff is decided by the 12-13th place finishers on the men’s side and 4-5 on the women’s, so they do have to prove themselves before getting a crack and second-chance qualifying.

As for age/skill brackets, I’ve argued for ages that there should be a lesser event for all the inspirational/heartwarming/cute personalities that NBC makes all those lovey-dovey stories about who don’t have a prayer in the regular contest. From what I’ve seen, ANWJ seems to have gone down that road (see for yourself) and NBC, for whatever reasons, isn’t interested in making another.

Oh, and I found out about the change to one hour from Primetimer (forgot to mention them; here’s the link). I checked my DVR and that is indeed the case.

EllisDee - I’m not doubting for a second that being born that premature and surviving is a huge deal; I just don’t think it should’ve been the whole point of his profile. The way I see it, the profile should be either something the contestant is going through right now or has vivid memories of and can speak of them directly, neither of which is the case here. Things are going to go too fast for NBC to milk anything, so it’s not a problem.

But the woman who won the final runoff qualified for the runoff by virtue of getting to the second obstacle in 5 seconds. Her qualifying run was 5 seconds long. That doesn’t really seem like a good example of proving yourself.

The vague impression I got from a leaked doc is that in semifinals, there will be lots of head to heads, with the top athletes doing seeded head-to-heads… If so, that will definitely be a better spectacle than these lackluster NvNs.

At the end of this first double episode, Iseman said that city finals (I think he called them semi-finals) were going to be all head to head.

Prosthetic leg or not, that was an impressive save on log runner.

Brian