I’m absolutely shitting all over your posts. I’ll continue to shit on posts that contribute to the terrible status quo of treating women who speak up about mistreatment of women like shit.
Or if she didn’t want to continue to relive her own trauma, or many other legitimate reasons having nothing to do with dishonesty.
It only fails to make sense of you ascribe intent to her that she never said she wanted.
She didn’t say she wanted “actual consequences” for her ex boyfriend. She said right up front that her only intent was to tell her story so that others could learn from it.
It makes perfect sense if you take her at her word. She is doing exactly what she said she was going to do.
She didn’t enter into this for a fight to “save her reputation,” and indeed Hardwick hasn’t tried to attack her reputation.
As it stands now, we have no reason to believe that her original account was untruthful. We don’t have to “guess” anything.
Here is another plausible but less charitable perspective. Clearly Dykstra had no problem with the emotional weight of writing and publishing a lengthy essay on the subject, knowing full well that she was providing so much detail that it would definitively implicate Hardwick and probably ruin him despite her sanctimonious claims to the contrary, even going so far as to gloat that the essay “may be an unfortunate consequence for him”. Yet when her essay had exactly the effect she intended and anticipated, and Hardwick suffered potentially career-ending consequences and was canned from all his high-profile positions, suddenly she got all shy and refused to lift a finger to clarify the facts.
This is exactly what I mean by lack of accountability. I’m much more interested in the principles involved here than in taking sides with either Dykstra or Hardwick, neither of whom I know anything about. Our system of justice has never worked that way but the new system of empowered bullying and mob justice does, and the scope of what the man can now be demonized and ruined for is growing ever larger to where it now encompasses basically anything. It used to be sexual assault but now a man who, say, merely criticizes a woman’s work or shows up late for dinner can be accused of vile emotional abuse. And there is absolutely zero accountability. It shouldn’t be hard to fathom that, regardless of past systemic issues, this is a gross imbalance of power that goes against the basic foundations of a civilized society and ultimately isn’t good for anyone.
You do realize an investigation took place and she wasn’t the victor, right? Talk about denial.
They’re not going to hear you; you’re making too much sense.
There was no “victor”. And we have no idea what the investigation discovered or even recommended. All we know is that AMC chose not to sever their relationship with Hardwick. That could be due to contract, legal, or a myriad of reasons aside from Dykstra’s story not being accurate.
Wait, who has been adjudged a sexual predator for showing up late to dinner?
You have no idea whether Dykstra’s story is accurate or not. No one does, aside from Dykstra, Hardwick, and possibly the investigators AMC hired, and they’re not talking.
I’m not sure what you’re suggesting should occur here. Women should feel entirely comfortable coming forward and telling any true story of bad experiences they wish to share. Without being rhetorically shat upon, and without having aspersions cast upon their character, as has been done in this thread, barring real evidence of dishonesty.
There is a “gross imbalance of power” here, and there has been for centuries (and probably millennia). And it’s to the benefit of abusers, especially wealthy and influential abusers. This is starting to change, but only very slightly. Women still can’t come forward and just say what they need to say without being called liars and worse. And the accused almost always get the benefit of the doubt, while the accuser almost never does.
But based on the evidence out there, there’s no solid evidence that Dykstra has done anything wrong. Only feelings about how she came forward, and when she decided to stop – choices which should always be respected, again barring evidence of dishonesty. And there’s none here. Just innuendo and bias.
Yes, but there was definitely a REASON. You don’t have to like it, but they found her story less than convincing (the one she wrote on Medium about an anonymous ex-boyfriend). Faced with only that information, a person would have to be a fool to give it more credence than it’s worth. She certainly didn’t. Why do you?
We have no idea whether “they found her story less than convincing”. That’s just a false assertion.
Cite?
True stories. Not false ones. You MUST agree with that or there is really nothing to discuss.
Then how do you determine the truth or falsity of a given story? Have an investigation? Like AMC and NBC did?
Believe me, it it were at all plausibly that Hardwick were guilty of abuse or sexual assault, he wouldn’t be back on the air.
AMC and NBC did not say that they were going to determine the truth of the story and indeed they did not issue any determination of the truth.
Or maybe it’s just not true that a powerful man is bound to lose his job for any reason, like showing up late to dinner. Ask Les Moonves, for example. Or Donald Trump.
Of course. And we have no evidence that Dykstra’s story is false.
In many cases in which the police aren’t involved, we simply won’t determine with anything close to certainty truth or falsity. Sometimes someone just wants to come forward and speak about a thing that’s traumatized them for years. That should be welcomed. It doesn’t mean you have to believe every story with no evidence – in fact, your belief or lack thereof doesn’t matter. What matters is how you treat them – do you accuse them of lying even though there’s no evidence? Do you just assume that the system is working, and any behind-the-scenes investigation is just and fair, even when they release no findings? You shouldn’t do either, IMO.
I don’t believe you. I don’t know how anyone could have such faith in a society that’s been so enormously terrible in this particular measure.
False assertion? How do you know it’s false? Do you see that you’ve done exactly the same thing you’ve shat on others for?
Because climate. #Metoo has been pretty sobering for sexual predators. Why pretend it hasn’t?
Faith in institutions is a huge part of how we got here. No one should have faith in AMC or any large organization to properly handle their own business with regards to sexual assault/harassment/misconduct. No political party, no religion, no broadcast company, no any large organization. Especially when no findings have been released publicly.
Did you personally experience their telling you that they found her story to be less than convincing?
Because they haven’t told any of the rest of us that.
Yes, Here is that thing … life isn’t fair. And you don’t make it more fair by silencing people who have issues because maybe it isn’t 100% true - or even a little true. My abuser than trashed my reputation - also not fair - saying I asked for it - and was “believed” by some - after all, he had all the power. Not fair. But it happens. People do nasty shit - it is not fair when any of that happens to anyone. It isn’t fair when you lose your job because someone accuses you of something you didn’t do, it isn’t fair when you lose your job because your boss demands quid pro quo sex. It isn’t fair when your girlfriend tells the world what a creep you are, and it isn’t fair when a woman ends up in a relationship with a creep that - for weird psychological reasons - she can’t get herself out of. It isn’t fair when your boyfriend tells you after four years he doesn’t want to marry and have kids after stringing you along - and then a year later is expecting with his new wife - and it isn’t fair when your girlfriend gets pregnant “accidentally on purpose” because she is tired of waiting for a ring. It isn’t fair when your ex trashes you to your kids and they start to hate you or when you get laid off, even though you should have kept your job - but the boss needed to let someone go, and it wasn’t going to be the guy he plays golf and drinks with.
Get over the idea that there is some sort of fair and just reality that doesn’t inconvenience anyone who doesn’t deserve it. Reality is way messier than that. Sometimes you shrug and say “that sucks.”
It’s a false assertion that we know anything at all about the investigation. We literally no nothing about the results and findings of the investigation. All we know is that AMC chose not to sever their relationship with Hardwick. That tells us pretty much zero about what the investigation found.
It’s nuts that you or anyone would have faith that AMC or any large organization can simply be trusted on this to do what’s right.