Since when in the name of Phred Felps is a funeral an appropriate time for political statements from people in the peanut gallery? Isn’t that Rudy Ghouliani’s job?
The only person with any responsibility for the death of the two officers killed himself immediately afterwards. He was insane and what he perceived as injustice in the world caused him to commit terrible violence on two completely innocent people. He was not incited by DeBlasio. If he was incited at all, it was by the various incidents of police using force. As a mentally disturbed person, it was awful that he had access to weapons and not mental health care.
Your statement is racist. Is the proper response introspection?
No, everyone is not naturally somewhat racist for any meaningful definition of the term.
One group being over represented in arrests is not sufficient to sustain a claim of systemic racism.
**John’s **point is that people’s issue is not the act of signaling displeasure that’s the problem, it’s the specific issue they are doing so about. **BPC **specifically calls out the issue being focused on, not the act of alleged insubordination itself. Fit’s **John’s **point perfectly.
Hence the problem with shitcanning the cops en masse. The best that hiz honor could have done was to quietly deal with the problem through the commisioner, I can imagine that the city of new york has a number of areas and postings, that would be ideal for officers that need some attitude adjustments, I dunno making them part of the hooker detail at vice and make em wear wigs and heels.
You are so fucking dumb, you don’t deserve a reply, but the stories I told were either personal experiences or I cited them, so either refute my cite or shut the fuck up.
It’s astonishing to me you would consider those totally commonplace interactions to be fabrications, but not really because you are a socially inept fool with no ability to gauge what normal humans experience. I mean, for fuck’s sake, I’m a white girl and this shit has happened to me! I have no doubt that you completely dismiss the true personal accounts by Black people describing their police experiences. Yet, you think you have something to add to this conversation.
From my understanding, this is standard procedure for parents of black children – especially young black men. I’ve never known a parent of a black boy that didn’t feel the need to give special emphasis on how to minimize the risk of being shot by police.
Whether this feeling is legitimate or not, the perception exists and is likely widespread among parents of black children. These sorts of perceptions are very bad and even dangerous for the police, so for the sake of the cops, I hope they make changes that will address this perception.
I don’t know enough about what Bratton is saying or doing to have an opinion on this. Anyone with facts, opinions, or discussion about Bratton, what he is saying or doing, or what he could be saying or doing?
How exactly does turning your back on his televised image “impede the efficient functioning of government”?
FWIW, I was disgusted by this just as I was by the posturing of Minnesota Democrats who turned the funeral of Paul Wellstone into a political circus, but that does t mean I can’t laugh at the people who foolishly believe the police officers did something they can be disciplined for.
What the fuck?! These perceptions are dangerous for the police?! Holy Mother of Fuck. Because there are masses of black people killing cops with impunity. Jesus Christ.
He has freely admitted that he fully supported the jury in the case of Emmit Till and that he celebrated the killing of Jordan Davis(the kid murdered for playing rap music) because David was “a thug” who deserved to be killed.
You miss out the part where I excoriate the prosecution for failing to give the jury the evidence in their possession that could have lead to a guilty verdict. Such as, among other things, evidence that Till was actually dead, and that the body found was his.
Do you think the jury should find someone guilty of murder if they’re not presented with any evidence that there’d actually been a murder?
Really. The man was elected by a landslide, which normally leads to assume a mandate (but more on that later), and one of his key promises was to ditch “stop and frisk” so why in the world would he want to spend resources to keep fighting FOR it? He would only be accused of deliberately throwing the case. And anyway no individual component of the NYC community is entitled to a privileged veto of a lawful policy decision.
Which is another thing: that the election had a lower or higher turnout does not alter the validity of the election result but it shows three out of four eligible voters in NYC did not bother showing up in the General Election, nor did a similar proportion of the registered Democrats in the Primary, where he got nominated with 40% of the vote (meanwhile only one out of every eight registered Republicans showed up for *their *Primary). All these people who were then and are now rending their garments about what a terrible choice he was, where the Hell were they?? You basically had just the people with grievances that DeBlasio promised to redress (be it policing practices, minimum wages, charter schools… goddamn carriage horses, fer cryin’ out loud), bothering to show up to vote. Everyone else went “yeah, whatever”. So that’s the policies the police and other city public components have to abide by for four years.
It’s been touched upon by several posters, but I have a few questions:
DeBlasio is nominally the superior to these police officers by virtue of being their boss’s boss’s boss’s boss. He’s not in a similar position as POTUS being the “commander in chief” of the police department, at least to my knowledge. Do regulations require a rank and file officer to show him respect by standing at attention, or at least not show him disrespect?
If respect is required, what are the disciplinary procedures to be followed? The police are civil servants with union contracts. They cannot be fired similar to an “at will” employment where the boss can fire you for any or no reason. Procedures must be followed, and I’m not sure what those are, even assuming that the disrespect is a violation.
I suppose that the guy who mows the grass in Central Park can also follow the line of his superiors up to DeBlasio. Must he show the same level of respect? If the mayor walks through central park, must he get off of his lawn mower and stand at attention?
The answers to these questions would shed some light on whether they did anything wrong and what discipline is appropriate if they did.
They are. The police are separate from the general public and they are above the general public. It’s going to be easier to change that if we all start admitting it, and admitting that we don’t like or want it to be that way.
Well, yeah, they are. The less people trust and respect the police, the harder and more dangerous police work is. I realize that compared to the racism faced by african-americans, this is not a big problem, but that racism isn’t going to get cops to think of their own self-interest.
That’s not why they’re dangerous to police, in my view. They’re dangerous to police because communities that don’t trust police are much harder to police, and much more risky to police.
I’m only speaking of how these perceptions affect police – in other posts, I’ve stated on whether I believe these perceptions are valid (and, in my view, they are). I’m simply saying that it’s in the interest of police and police safety to not have the perception that they treat often treat black people unfairly and are more likely to kill black suspects without cause. So it’s in the material interest of police – more than just doing the right thing – to eliminate the perception (which I believe is a valid perception) that they treat black people unfairly and are more likely to kill black suspects without valid cause.
Sounds like free speech, or freedom of choice, to me.
Do the “normal citizens” have a contract with NYC requiring that they look at each and every parade participant? When the big balloons go by, are spectators contractually required to look at the balloon handlers or the balloon?