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If the media could have gotten a quote, they would have run with it. The families have only to pick up a phone to make their feelings known. But who would they call? The media outlets that are continually demonizing the police, which includes their recently deceased loved ones, for choking a man to death even though that man didn’t die of strangulation?
Yikes. I knew he was a stupid asshole, but I guess I missed that. Well, my reply wasn’t wasted because my point stands; many people are victimized by the police after calling for help. There are many people who would hesitate before calling the police, including myself, although I fully admit I probably wouldn’t be as likely to be victimized because I’m white.
The term “Glorious Revolution” is pretty dismissive and stupid, but I think the NYPD have shown that they are FAR more concerned with being deferred to as authoritarians than they are with protecting and serving their community. This action, in addition to the “wartime police” comment (which is blood chilling to me), shows that the NYPD is rotten. It’s not a few bad apples; the entire system has serious deep flaws, from the management down. I think in a just world, yes, the entire department would be canned and investigated for the crimes they’ve committed. I’m no fool though, I know that outcome is unlikely bordering on ludicrous.
I also realize that there’s no real drive to change this system. It works exactly as it was built to, and while DeBlasio has my respect for speaking the truth, he’s only one man and he can’t change this. Nor can Obama. Body cameras won’t fix this, investigations won’t fix this, hiring more Black cops won’t fix this. The police force is fundamentally, systematically racist and until Americans are willing to look squarely at the history of violence and White Supremacy in this country (it is to laugh) and decide to abandon the privileges of race in order to create a new, just system, it cannot change. It’s all just band-aids over a gaping wound.
So, yes, I suppose I do want that “Glorious Revolution”. Laugh away.
Could you kindly give examples of the “media outlets that are continually demonizing the police,” specifically giving examples of the demonization they have done?
Yes, thank you. I meant pro “police reform.”
Let me reframe what I said so it’s easier for you to understand.
You, doorhinge, deny that there is a problem with how the justice system treats minorities. You’re either clueless, have no morals worth a damn, or you support inequality. I don’t know which of those actually reflects what is going on in your head – my assumption is that you’re just clueless. But by denying reality (such as that Eric Garner’s death was a homicide, but trying to deflect that into making the homicide his fault because of his weight or something), you present yourself as supporting an unequal justice system that treats people better or worse depending on what race they are. Is that what you want to be known for?
Similar to the police who participated in the protest. Maybe they are all conservatives who simply hate Democratic politicians, maybe they have a more nuanced criticism of de Blasio, or maybe they think an unequal, racist justice system is a good thing. By protesting someone who speaks out in favor of equal protection under the law, they are casting their lot with the worst elements of society, whether they intend to or not. Just like you.
Now, do I honestly believe that you and the police are standing up in favor of racism? In my opinion, not intentionally. But your ilk have made wild accusations that anyone who supports peaceful protests and civil rights is actually in favor of looting and violence, I shall cry crocodile tears for you if your penchant for baseless statements and character assassination turns around and bites you in the ass with you being regarded as supporting racist policies.
By refusing to accept fairly light-handed criticism of how police deal with the issue of race, the PBA and those who wish to align themselves with such extremists will perpetuate the idea that they do, in fact, support unfair law enforcement based on race. That’s for sure, and that’s why the NYPD will lose out in the long run if they don’t change their tune.
I think he means stories like this, in which the media is reporting that police are not viewed favorably by 101% of the population.
It (arguably) might be nice if it worked that way, but I don’t know of any such power.
All of the media demonizes police? Pat Lynch never gets on the the local TV stations? They could have gotten a statement out through him. They couldn’t have called the NY Post or Fox News? Now you’re being ridiculous. Nobody except those closest to the family knows how they feel and they have apparently decided not to share their feelings, whatever they are, more widely. You saying “But who would they call” has as much basis in fact as I would have if I said “They were afraid the officers would abandon them if they made their feelings known.”
You will notice I didn’t say that. Because I don’t know how they feel about it. Neither do you and neither do those officers who turned their backs.
Not quite sure what you find in that article that demonizes anybody or how you interpret that article as being anything other than straightforward with how different parts of the public view the police. Overall a narrow majority believes that the criminal justice system treats Blacks and Whites equally but there are large differences between groups. Only 21% of Blacks believe it and among Whites it varies by party with only 30% of White Democrats believing the two groups are treated fairly and 66% of Republicans believing they are. Interestingly though that means that a third of even White Republicans do not believe that Blacks are treated equal to Whites by the criminal justice system.
What is “demonizing” about reporting that poll (and how in heck do you read it as saying something it in no way says)?
Nearly half of all Americans do not believe that the criminal justice system treats Blacks equally. And Blacks who have actually lived the experience overwhelmingly state the system treats them unequally.
What seems to be the case is that rural and suburban Whites (majority GOP) believe that Blacks are treated equally based on … well … not much to base it on really. They just believe it to be the case. Those in urban environments, White Democrats and Blacks, who see actually experience the treatment, say uh, no.
So really it is very likely that the vast majority of those being policed in urban environments, White and Black both, believes that they are treated differently based on the color of their skin.
Now maybe those folks are all delusional and they are actually all being treated equally. I doubt it, but let’s go with that. This entrenched belief of a majority who you police is still a problem for those who do the policing and behaving in a manner that states that addressing those concerns is a horrible thing to do … nothing to see here and move along, if you know what is good for you … is not in their own best interests let alone in society’s.
Ah, yes, once a non-white citizen joins the force they instantly turn racist against all non-white people.
In this thread is a lot of “good progressive liberals” who seem to be dreaming of yon good old days of Herr Hitler.
I’m not Ravenman, but judging from the way he framed it (and from the fact that he is one of the sharper tools in the shed around here), I’m sure he didn’t regard it as demonizing in the least, just that doorhinge might take it that way because it related to recent controversies about police conduct without being ‘rah-rah police.’
Yes, you got it precisely. And thank you!
I’d like to see that too. A local place I get morning coffee carries New York newspapers and both the NY Daily News and NY Post covers for the past week have been desperate attempts to paint protesters as thugs and murderers.
My apologies. Not as sharp of one of the tools in the shed as I thought I was, I guess!
Copdom is not some snooty fraternity full of spoiled rich-kids. The guys are public employees who should show respect for their superiors. Those who do not need to be shitcanned. I’m sure there are plenty of young unemployed blacks and hispanics who would happily fill out the holes in the ranks.
Since “free speech” has been brought up, I thought I’d just point to the controlling case law on the issue, which is Garcetti v. Ceballos. The court ruled (5-4) that a public employee could be reprimanded for any speech pursuant to their professional duties. Now, this was a controversial ruling, and I happen to disagree with it (I agree with Steven’s dissent that there is no categorical difference between words issued with whether it’s related to your duties, and that a balancing test should be applied), but it is the current law. Now, the original case had a district attorney disciplined for questioning the legitimacy of a warrant. I don’t know for sure whether the current action would be considered to be related to their professional duties - maybe a lawyer could chime in with how this ruling has been applied.
In any case, it wouldn’t be smart of just go fire them, but I would like to think that in most cases the supervisors would have a private talking to with the officers about how they should act in uniform.
Sadly, there aren’t. They NYPD, NYFD, NYEMS and others are trying hard to add diversity to their ranks, but it’s a slow climb towards reflecting actual city demographics.
Maybe it needs to happen. I think many departments now need to stop militarizing, and they need to do a serious house cleaning to weed out the bad ones.
Seen it out here too, just not as much. But then the NY Daily News and the NY Post are fvcking rags anyway.
Well, the culture problem isn’t just between cops and external minorities is it?
Black officers group wants Halstead fired