I guess I’m not shocked. It’s a labor dispute and sometimes those get nasty. Police officers are civilians, not soldiers.
Why? His job isn’t to be supported by the police. He was actually elected on a platform of stopping certain bad behavior on the part of the police.
(Some of the lines on Bill de Blasio and the NYPD remind me of the debate over the surge in Afghanistan. Some people seemed to think that the President no role in making decisions on that issue that deviated from “listening to the generals,” as if defense policy was decided by the military alone.)
Give all of them 48 hours to pen and publish a formal, individual apology for their behavior, then fire every single one of them who fails to comply. No pension, no recommendation, no nothing. Out on the street without a dime. Cops need to be taught a lesson in manners and the evil of the Blue Wall. That would do it.
It’s a union job, the mayor is not their employer, and it’s a political free speech issue, soooooooo, no, the mayor can not fire them for insubordination.
They were totally wrong to do this in uniform. They’re proving the point of the protesters, they’re biased. I don’t blame most of them, I blame their leadership in the PBA and others who want to widen the rift between the public and the police.
If they want to take off their uniforms and protest on their own time that’s fine with me even if I disagree with them.
I think those cops could get fired. Union representation does not protect individual employees from termination in case of misbehavior. Insubordination, especially when done by police in uniform is pretty serious. No First Amendment protection there. And when it’s done by a whole bunch of police en masse like this, it’s insurrection. They should all be fired.
They need to build a new police force, nearly from scratch. Yeah, I know that’s out of the question. They need to bring in a whole lot of new blood into the ranks, perhaps over a period of several years. And institute and maintain some serious disciplinary ass-kicking, right from the top on down.
(ETA: That said, I think the suggestion by silenus, to give every one of them a 48-hour written apology ultimatum, isn’t a half-bad idea.)
This is fucking retarded. I’m sorry, but any police officer who can’t tell the difference between “I think the police should die” and “I think there needs to be more oversight in police dealings, and that recent police actions were not okay” needs to be fired. They are the problem. They are the people who are leading to this police culture where the man on the street cannot afford to trust the police. Where murder goes unquestioned if the perpetrator is in uniform. Fuck. These. Assholes. None of them deserve a fucking badge, let alone a gun.
Congratulations. You’ve just supplanted Smapti as the most fucking stupid poster on this forum.
If I was the newly bereaved widow of a police officer I’d tell the department I was making arrangements of my own. My husband’s body belongs to me. I’d not want his funeral to turn into a circus, I’d want it in my church, and be a religious service.
It was in his church. It was a religious service. He was training to become a police chaplain. All speakers and the entire ceremony was approved by the family. If they wished for no ceremony there would be none.
I wasn’t clear. I’ve heard commentators talk about the mayor “needing the support of the police” to effectively run the city, just as some regimes rule only with the support of the army. My point was, they spoke as if he served at the pleasure of the police, or they’d install someone else.
Deblasio was two hours late for the funeral, he has also publically made statements about fearing for the safety of his son implying the NYPD was going to hurt his family. I wonder what Ramos’s widow thinks about that? This guy is as tone deaf as they come.