The funny part is that he’s a ‘strong’ person for resisting his sissy manfucking urges.
So, basically, according to Not-Cocksucker M, conformity=strength of characer.
I know I’m impressed.
-Joe
Yes… but only from GM seeds.
Now you’re 8 feet wide, 4000 pounds, with a pair of bumper bullets?
I imagine he also continually intakes flammable liquids and expels deadly gasses.
Actually, I kid. I really do.
Because a self-hating closet case like Mar-Ho is to be pitied and hated, not laughed at.
-Joe
I have mentioned several times here that I’ve seen just as much hatred, prejudice and mean-spiritedness on this board as I’ve ever seen coming from anyone on the right, and that there is in reality very little difference in the behavior of human beings in general no matter which side of the political spectrum they happen to adhere to. Kudos to most of you in this thread for illustrating that that this observation is indeed fact.
(You may now proceed with your explanations that this all right because: you have been the victims of prejudice yourselves for so long; you’re only human too, and when you see such hatred coming from someone like MH it’s only natural to respond in kind; or, it’s okay because you are open-minded, tolerant, forgiving non-judgemental liberals who are on the side of goodness and right, and it’s only logical and just hatred, vituperation, and mean-spirited hurtfulness is going to be directed at anyone who fails to adhere to these noble traits because they are assholes and deserve this type of behavior as their just deserts for being the assholes that they are.)
I know very little of MH, and the quotes attributed to him in this thread certainly don’t cast him in the best light – but many of you here are showing yourselves to be little better. What a bunch of mean-spirited, smug, self-satisfied and self-impressed hypocritical assholes you are!
Thank you, I guess
Jim
Starving Artist, for a good part I agree with you - there’s most certainly just as much knee-jerking hatred on the left as there is on the right. However, you too are as much guilty of a political bias.
You’ve looked at this thread, and while the comments Martin have made -
…the comments others have made, which you say are just as bad (no better, no worse) make them -
Why is it that you think that both comments are an equally bad show, and yet Martin’s comments merely make him look bad, while the posters-attacking-him’s comments make them utterly <insert your list of insults here>?
Thankyou for your judgment, SA.
Do you not think that MH’s expressed opinions towards the members of this board might have even the tiniest smidgen of a bearing upon the vitriol being directed at him? You know the quote by now. Which btw of course applies to you too, as you are a poster at this board. Hear that, you filthy degenerate leftist?
Do you honestly believe there is some sort of moral equivalence between MH’s unprovoked outburst of hate towards ALL members of this board, and the vitriol directed towards him and only him, in this thread, as a direct reaction to his comments?
“What goes around, comes around”
“As ye sow, shall ye reap”
Discuss.
Hey stupid cunt, figured out what a “Terrorist Sympathiser” is, or do you still not want to get into fiddly little details?
Anyways, the ignorant closet case you’re defending deserves all the abuse he gets. He displays the same level of idiocy, stupidity, and just plain Starving Artistness that he deserves every little bit he gets. Just as aldebaran did.
You sow it, you reap it. You don’t like it, don’t bring it.
-Joe
Meh. I see both sides. I am no fan of Marty’s and I count that a good thing. But there is something to be said for deploring pile ons (and yes, I am as guilty as sin with this one). They’re ugly (yeah, it’s the Pit. So what?)
I would much rather attack someone’s position or their actions than eviscerate them as a whole person. I’ve done my share and most likely will in future as well, but it’s not my proudest moment-can any of us say that it is their own?
I really don’t see how comparing offenses is productive in the least. Nancarrow is correct to say that MH is as extreme (if not more so) as anyone here. Essentially, it’s a shouting match with no good outcome, really.
I don’t know if I would say that Marty is gay. He may well be (I’m not a gay male, so what do I know?). I do know that most people have thoughts that are considered homosexual at some point or another (I mean gay or lesbian). It does sound to me like he has tried very hard to “retrain” his desires, but that’s none of my business.
to me, Marty is a perfect example of the conservative sector of the GOP. I know alot of Martys (unfortunately). I also know their hides are as thick as the elephant they deify and their minds are locked down. There is no swaying him, no cracking open any veins of empathy or compassion for those unlike him. They are what they are-people who will cut their noses off to spite their faces and then weep and demand that you fix their faces. They make me tired.
So, enough of him and this. Sorry all, but baiting possibly closeted neo-cons is not my cup of tea. If he wants to come back here and discuss/refute the rights of women in church or the hygiene of liberals (what a bizarre thing to say, btw)-then I’m there.
Why don’t you just go suck his dick and get it over with?
A little sanctimonious, there, SA. Nice job of button-pushing, though.
A little Pavlovian there, 'jeek.
I’ll cut to the chase. First, thank you for this nice little sermon, in which one person can spew all the fucking bile he pleases, but others have to play nice. Second, I will not explain my actions or motives. I don’t, at the risk of sounding arrogant, have to justify myself to you or anyone else. Finally, I don’t care, if it offends your “delicate sensibilities” either. Now get off that high high horse before you get a high altitude nosebleed. 
Sure be rational and all, fine. 
Seriously though, I find it hard to believe that he doesn’t post some of his worst stuff just to provoke a reaction. It gets surreal when you see such extreme stuff posted.
Jim
Revenant Threshold and Nancarrow, since you both asked similar things I’ll answer you both at the same time. The thing is that the left so often through the years has attempted to position itself as being the philosophy of tolerance, non-judgementalism and the enemy of hatred. Additionally, the left, generally, has excoriated the right for its supposed intolerance, judgementalsim and hatred. Now we have an entire thread in which many here on the left have been engaging in a veritable orgy of the very same qualities it finds so egregious when coming from the right…and not only that, but many of the insults are aimed right where they might be the most wounding to him specifically, whereas MH’s quotes in the OP are general in nature and not targeted specifically to to psychologically wound specific posters.
My objections are based upon the fact that the philosophies and approaches long advocated by left would lead one to expect more of an attempt at understanding, tolerance, and the turning of the other cheek. Yet the response here is exactly what one would expect from the right based upon the way the right is often portrayed around here.
Therefore, my post pertains to two points that are separate from what MH has had to say: one, the hypocrisy on display in this thread; and two, the observation that lefties – once confronted with behavior they find sufficiently egregious – are just as vile, spiteful and hurtful as those on the right whom they criticize for these same traits…with the inference being that these qualities are hallmarks of conservatism.
It really isn’t an issue of moral equivalency or whether MH’s behavior is worse than that of the other posters here; it’s that the general tone of this thread very strongly tends to discredit the notion that those on the left possess the moral high ground when it comes to deciding how people should respond to behavior they find morally wrong or offensive.
And now to give Merryjerk’s post the response it deserves, I would simply say…
See, I don’t think MH baits us. I think he truly believes what he posts.
That is much sadder and less amenable to change. He really thinks that women lack a certain something to be able to give communion etc. He really thinks the leftys are mentally ill.
He is an all too familiar character in my life (my inlaws and my husband’s extended family). I cannot convey with words the contempt I feel for these people and their “values”. But he is our Cross to bear–and it must be admitted, he does sling shit with some aplomb and makes the place a bit livelier. He most likely sees himself as a martyr to the conservative cause, standing up for Truth, Light and the American Way in the midst of us rabble.
Well, it’s a point of view, I suppose.
PS-whoever posted upthread is absolutely correct. There is indeed a double standard when it comes to right vs left. Right can destroy characters, whole careers and it’s all to the good-it’s the “truth”, even when it baldfaced lying. When the left makes a constructive criticism, suddenly we are slinging mud and playing politics. These are not values that I share–but the Right has used them to good purpose for the past 15 years.
I do understand your position, Starving Artist, and though I wouldn’t say that the attacks on Martin Hyde in this thread were wholly undeserved, some of the responses to him have been as bad as his own comments. There’s also some more gentle mocking, which i’d hope you wouldn’t class as being hypocritical (after all, tolerance is important but I don’t think any left-winger would proscribe no confrontation at all).
Your posts however have made me feel like introducing a new point. Martin Hyde is a christian. Christians, even more so that lefties, describe their position of being one of love and tolerance for all people. And yet, Martin’s comments have been the antithesis of these values. Can, in the same way you suggest hypocricy on the left, these comments be him be used to expose hypocrisy of christians?
I call complete bullshit on this. There is a dinstinct difference between tolerance and allowing abuse. I think this is one of the most disingenous and hypocritical statements I’ve read on the Dope.
Just what are we to understand and tolerate here, SA? Just how many cheeks do we turn?
We got exactly what can be expected from the Right here(per Marty)–the view that more liberal types are unwashed, mentally ill degenerates.
Defend his statement instead of deploring our condemnation of it. Are we to nod our heads and yes, why some of us didn’t shower today. And alot of us are on Prozac, so…get a grip. This was a wholesale swipe at over half the nation, but a frustrated, intolerant, sexist bigot.
Defend him, please. Defend his position if you feel he is correct. Don’t patronize the more liberal here with accusations of acting un-Christian. As Jesus once said, “look to the mote in you own eye…” and all that.
I also meant to say to Revenant Threshold that he is indeed correct regarding my conservative political bias and I readily acknowledge it. What I don’t do is run around assigning ignoble motives and mindsets to my opposition while engaging in the same type of behavior I’m criticizing them for.
And kaylasdad, I’m disappointed that you didn’t take my post seriously. Every word was sincere.
Nonsense. If a Christian does or says something wrong, that’s just one person and reflects nothing upon Christians as a whole. Ditto for a conservative.
If a liberal does or says something wrong, it just goes to show that they’re all a bunch of ____, ____ ____s (epithets of your choice).