Don’t see a thread, so I’ll just start one.
Really interesting episode, with the timelines. Got a little confusing at times, but it sorted itself out very well. It was really weird to see all of the team die.
So Gunn is finally out! About time.
Wes is really feeling the reprecussions of his actions last week. Now he doesn’t only have to deal with the guilt of remembering his betrayal to Angel, he also has betrayed Illyria…
An intriguing episode, but what was going on with the ending? :eek: Any thoughts about what Angel hopes to accomplish by flirting with the dark side?
Ugh. I missed it because of my lovely exam schedule. Could someone give me a quick rundown w/spoilers?
I feel like it might be a sham. Don’t be surprise if that’s the central plot of the next episode, and we find it’s all an attempt to gain the trust of the senior partners. After all, the apocalype is coming…
I’m thinking that the line Angel spoke under his breath while talking with Wes toward the end of the ep must have meant something:
“Serve no master but your ambition.”
I had closed captioning turned 'cause I was trying to multitask (No, that didn’t work out so well.), and that line was presented in quotes, meaning that Angel was referring back to something someone had said to him in the past.
So the question for the board is: When and from whom was that line first heard?
Holy fuck was that an awesome episode!
I couldn’t even do anything, or make any noise, when she killed Spike. I mean I didn’t think he’d die (or at least not yet), but, still. I think I was almost more shocked when Angel saved Spike. :eek: A very satisfying episode. But I have to wonder where they would have gone with Illyria had the show not been canned.
I can’t believe there are only three episodes left. I think I’m going to cry. 
Upon preview:
“Serve no master but your ambition.”
Illyria said that to Angel during their talks while they were time shifting all over the place.
Dammit, dammit, dammit! I forgot to turn off my VCR so the timer didn’t go so I missed the ep. If anyone knows of a way I could see it…
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Doh!
That’s the last time I attempt to multitask during Angel.
Every time they go off on a new tangent (like the Puckerfaced Demons tonight), I keep thinking, “We don’t have TIME for this!!!” I have a feeling we’re all going to be like Wesley, sifting for clues to unanswered questions for all eternity through the last 3 episodes!
Lorne was right: this Evil Guy is SUCH an improvement over Evil Eve. I wish they’d give Lorne more to DO, though, than make walkie-talkie cell phone jokes…
[Moderate hijack:] Does it seem to anyone else that in Jossverse the women get progressively skinnier while the men get progressively heftier? I mean, Buffy herself started out as a fairly healthy-looking teen and ended up as a mere wisp of her former self, Willow turned into a bit of a twig, and ohmygod, those Skeletor potentials! Then on Angel, curvy Cordelia and Lila were replaced (more or less - mostly less) by Fred and Eve. As to the guys: Xander & Angel = Supersized. Anyhow, just wonderin’…
I’ll sure miss these threads!
I’m not sure where they are going with this. I’ll reserve judgement until I find out, but so far… Worst. Apocalypse. Ever. 
I was expecting the doors to shut, then the sounds of death and mayhem to ensue, having Angel “serve his ambition” by blatantly defying the Senior Partners. Of course, the credits popped up, leaving me to wonder what exactly Angel was up to with those Fell demons.
Some high points for me:
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[li]Illyria putting the “prisoner” amulet onto the torture demon, with the next scene showing it cutting it’s own heart out. Although for comedic effect, I was expecting seeing it help the little boy with his “layers of the earth” homework. Or walking out onto the driveway for the paper and skateboard. :)[/li][li]Spike’s training session[/li][li]Lorne’s walkie talkie code words “Bluebird” and “Secret Demon”[/li][li]Gunn’s pile of work when he went into his office. I mean, this guy was held prisoner in a hell dimension for two weeks, they couldn’t have gotten an intern or something? Although pretty accurate if you’ve ever worked in an office and come back from vacation…[/li][li]Puckerdemons confering, then deciding on “Organic Cola”.[/li][li]The death of everyone. I mean, I had to check my watch to make sure that wasn’t the cliffhanger for next week.[/li][/ul]
And I’m with jellyblue on the “do we have time for this?” feelings. Illyria’s power is reduced, Lyndsey and Eve are who-knows-where, Wesley is coming unhinged, next week
Angel and Spike go to Italy apparently to find Buffy, Gunn is getting a bit back more into “the mission”, Lorne is doing very little, we’re in the middle of a “hidden” apocalypse, and there’s three more episodes to tie everything together. Is the finale at least a 2 hour special?
On a side note, I was flipping around the TV tonight, and came across James Marsters as a guest on the Sharon Osbourne show. I missed the first couple minutes, but he said that next week’s was the best/funniest one he’s ever done. Should be good times. Of course, he also talked about how the writers had a bunch of dangling plot lines “seeded” when the cancelation notice came up, so I’m again worried about how stuff gets tied together.
“To live forever and to rule all. That is winning.”
I’m starting to like her atitude.
I think that Angel’s adoption of Illyria’s motto (“serve no master but your ambition”), and his decision at the end, to tell Gunn to let the demons keep the pregnant woman’s child, was due to his realization that, in his tenure at W&H, he had been wasting his time on small things (like renegotiating demon adoption contracts), rather than concentrating on the big picture (the coming apocalypse).
I caught the same show, and when I stumbled across it JM was doing his English accent. At first all seemed normal, then he dropped back into his real voice and the whole world shifted slightly for me.
BTW, JM is shaving his head tomorrow (today?) as part of a fundraiser for childhood cancer research. He’s finally getting rid of the bleached blond look.
I’m a little tired of Illyria, maybe this will finally put an end to the double dose of angst Wes has been going through. What did Lorne say to Gunn about going in Wes’ office? “That’s where he keeps his full-on crazy”
Lorne undercover following a godlike being was pretty silly, but I really liked the stupid walkie-talkie jokes. Just shoot me now. I also like the fell demons sending the mother clippings from Modern Pregnancy.
My guess is that Angel will make an open split with the Senior Partners. Either that or he’s basically going under cover to lure them out.
Nice shot of someone wearing Buffy’s hair in the preview.
That’s exactly what I thought. Next week, Angel gets to have a moving, poignant moment with Buffy’s hair, because that’s all we’ll see of her.
And I also was waiting for the sounds of mayhem to break out from behind the doors before the credits. I like to think he has a plan. But then, I like to think leprechauns exist and I’m the world’s idea of the perfect woman. 
Did anybody else blink several times when Spike got dusted? Illyria had already dealt Wes a sucking chest wound by the time it registered on me. For a fleeting moment, I became convinced that the climax of the season would be all about how Angel has to cope with an apocalypse with no one to help. Then I remembered that there was a Dru and Darla episode coming, so Spike couldn’t be dead.
And for the love of all that’s holy, give Lorne something interesting to do. Even if it’s just starting a karaoke bar in the lobby. sigh
Amen. I was jumping up and down and squealing in joy when he got to threaten Eve and smack her around in “A Hole in the World”.
We can only hope that:
a) the Made-for-TV movies happen…at least 6 of them
b) they get to resolve those seeded plotlines in the movies
c) at least one of the movies is made for Skinamax 
Mmmmm…nekkid Illyria…
d) Joss is able to pull this one out without all of us having total nervous breakdowns!
Fingers crossed for “b.” That way these threads keep happening.
Every single time Lorne said “do you even know how to use these thingies” and Angel smacks his head and knocks the hat off, I crack up. It’s the subtle humor in the middle of tense drama that makes Joss’ shows so enjoyable.
I didn’t get to watch the show from the beginning as it aired. I came in just as Spike got staked. I was stunned. I hadn’t seen the start so I had no idea that there was time-shifting going on and believed that that was the end of Spike. Yet it seemed a fitting end, almost as quick and easy as Vamp!Willow’s end, and something ME would do.
I love Illyria’s speaches. Her random tangents into how the world used to be are great, and Angel freaking out on her about them in the torture chamber was amusing.
I wish that there was another season that Joss knew was going to be the last so that he could wrap up a lot of the dangling bits of plot but right now I just want to see what the senior partner’s have planned and how Angel is going to deal with it. I assume that is the main plot that he is going to resolve with the last episodes and the others will dangle. TV movies seem like they could work to follow up on things that couldn’t be resolved. I like that everything isn’t suddenly being resolved, a hurried set of answers to all our plot questions would ruin these last episodes by cluttering them up and giving them a desperate feel.
I like the subtle approach that’s been taken in the ERSAWC (Episodes rewritten since Angel was cancelled). First we get Lindsay’s announcement that the apocalypse started a long time ago and the good guys are losing, and now this week with Illyria reminding Angel that winning is everything. I keep thinking this is Joss’ ode to the stupidity of the Writers’ Guild strike that started the whole reality show craze that ended up killing his shows and revamping television, but that’s just me.
Since Angel and Spike are heading off to Italy, I’m not certain what’s going on with Angel in the boardroom-- I think that he’ll worry about a child being sacrificed 13 years down the line by making a note in his calendar to go kick some demon ass in 2017.