It wasn’t the Knox Scientist on Angel, it was his twin brother (seriously–I mean, same actor and all, but explained away by being family) over in Sunnydale. Buffy’s out looking for vamps and she runs into vamped Knox. Before she can kill him, he recognizes her from when they attended the high school and they end up sitting (occasionally fighting) and talking throughout the episode. Before he died, he was a psych major in college, so a lot of the story for Buffy in this episode dealt with some of her issues. At the end, right before she does kill him, he offhandedly reveals that Spike sired him. This, of course, was a huge surprise, because Spike had just got his soul back. It really is a good episode–one of the best of Season 7; in fact, I was disappointed that Season 7 didn’t love up to the quality of this one. But, as they say, oh well and all…
I think I missed something. Was the sub made by the Nazis and the Americans captured it or was it an American sub?
Oh, and because it popped into my head the other day but I didn’t feel like resurrecting a two-week-old thread, someone in the “psychotic slayer” thread said something about how they were glad ME remembered that Angel as the torturer and Spike the smash-n-bash guy. Except that Spike got the name because of his penchant for torturing victims with railroad spikes.
One of my favorite episodes ever is “Are You Now…” from season two, so I liked this one. I really enjoyed the Initiative tie-in, but I think the best part had to be that hair-helmet Spike had on.
And oh gods, I fell off the couch laughing when I saw that Muppet.
P.S. to Tanaqui–I do watch Smallville, and I think I yawned all the way through it this week. sigh But the remarkable lack of Lana made me very happy.
I am sooooo with you- maybe a package deal with the Season 4 DVD set when released. Speaking of which I need to order season 3 soon.
The episode was alot better then I expected, and tied into several of the Meta themes of this Season. Gunn’s little mental hick-up at the end was very interesting. Foreshadowing power, activate!
I thought the sub scenes were very well filmed, the camera work and lighting were spot on IMHO.
I kinda think that’s the point. Angel, not having a mission himself, couldn’t help this poor guy out; the only peace he could give him was at the end of a stake.
elf, I caught a Gunn mental hiccup at the beginning of the episode; was there one at the end, too?
My speculation is that the Senior Partners are going to start withdrawing Gunn’s mojo unless he moves ever further into their camp. He has the most to lose of any of them, I’d say, and is the ripest target for further corruption. How interesting would that be if he becomes the big bad for the season?
Lawson wanted peace, an end. The comments about the blood tasting like ash and Angel giving him a piece of his soul told me that Lawson wasn’t particularly happy as a vampire. He didn’t relish the hunt or the kill in the same way that Angelus or evil Spike did.
Oh, and JohnT, that’s blasphemy. “The Puppet Show” was one of the best “humor” episodes ever. If you want to talk about Worst . . . Episodes . . . Ever on “Buffy,” look at the one with the Inca mummy girl, the one where Willow has a cyber-boyfriend, or where Riley comes back to Sunnydale. Hell, most of Season 7 qualifies well ahead of “The Puppet Show.”
I loved this episode. Lots of continuity, appropriate humor, some angst, Spike with non-peroxided hair…there was a lot to love here. And I’m with pepperlandgirl …I HAVE to get an Angel doll for my fiancee!
Just for your information, audit1, the “Type-T Class Evil Nazi Vampire-Transporting Submarine” HAS torpedo doors that can be opened from the outside, along with large nets to catch sinking vampires before they hit the bottom. I thought everybody knew that!
That quote comes from S.2 when the Scoobies first encounter Spike and Giles looks him up in (I suppose) some watcher’s diary. However, and until Pepperlandgirl shows up, I don’t think that’s canon. Spike came from when he was put down as an awful bloody poet in a flaskback ep, IIRC.
He was put down as a bloody awful poet in “Fool for Love.” The put-down included the reference to having a railroad spike driven through one’s head. It might have been nice to see a tie-in where Spike hunts down his critic and actually uses a railroad spike. I’m not sure that the Season 2 citation has been rebutted or contradicted. I always viewed the Season 5 thing as simply a hint as to where the inspiration for a railroad spike came in the first place.
Why was Spike such a goofball in this episode? Shouldn’t he have been more like the guy he was in the NYC subway circa 1980 – you know, a badass mofo – than the comic relief he is now?
I like the episode, for a stand-alone. I like the afforementioned continuity.
As for next week, I’ve now gone from “I can’t believe they’re doing this” to “I can’t wait to see this one.” I remember when the promo for OMWF came on, I thought it was going to be the …worst…episode…ever. But it turned out to be my favorite. I have faith in ME.
Oh, and I’d definitely buy a puppet-angel if they were available.
That was me, and I think both of his nicknames came from his poetry days. As already mentioned, William the Bloody was for his bloody awful poetry and “I’d rather have a spike driven through my head than listen to that drivel…” Now, given the fact that the Watcher’s counsel seemed to be wrong more often than not, and given the fact that we never actually see him do it, and given the fact that Spike apparently gave himself that nickname
“Refresh my memory William…”
“Spike.”
“What?”
“It’s Spike now.”
He may have earned it, or somebody may have called him that and he overheard it, or Dru may have gave it to him, but I think he probably decided it would be a good name and ran with it. shrug However, we also have this little exchange (from Fool for Love) that is canon, and establishes Angel and Spike’s different styles.
Heh, Spike is a goofball. Remember in S2, when he first showed up, how much joy he took in just…being evil. He was laughing and joking all the wya through the first half of S2 until he got put in the wheelchair. After that, his humor got more dry and cutting and sarcastic and he smiled/laughed less ( ) but his characterization from last night is exactly how I remember him being in S2. “I would have waited til Friday night, but I just got so bored!”
I was pretty “meh” on this episode. It was okay, but it didn’t really engage me the way the last few eps have. I liked the actor who played Lawson, though. Thought he did a good job. And I loved the two Eastern Euopean vamps in the sub, especially the Nosferatu guy. “We are underwater?” Heh.
Next week is going to suck hugely, or be the best episode ever. I don’t see a lot of room for middle ground. But, I’ll reserve judgement until I actually see it.
) but his characterization from last night is exactly how I remember him being in S2. “I would have waited til Friday night, but I just got so bored!”