I’ve been wondering something since about two seconds after the final credits. If Gunn knew somebody would have to be left behind, why didn’t he just tell the rest of the gang and bring along a suitable prisoner? With access to Wolfram and Hart’s files, it should be easy to find somebody who deserves a life of gray banality punctuated by demonic torture.
Semi Hijack
I missed some shows this season. Gaming night was set on wednesday. I thought a friend had agreed to tape it for me. They claim they said no such thing. I think I’ve managed to catch all but two or three episodes in reruns. Can anybody provide a link to an episode guide with full details?
I agree with Lord Ashtar. Gunn intended to stay before they even got into the Camero. He believes he deserves that fate for his part in what happened to Fred.
On a side note… They said Camero but I thought that Lorne and Eve were getting into the same car the guys left in and that looked like a Chevelle. I guess I’ll have to review the tape.
So Gunn’s idea of atonement is staying hell so Lindsey (The episodes oh his return and schemes with Eve are some of the ones I missed) can go free? There’s a well thought out plan.
As Angel and Wes have learned, you don’t atone by sitting around and wallowing in self pity (I know. Gunn has no memory and thus won’t be wallowing. Still, I see it as much the same angst-ridden wankfest). You atone by going out to fight evil and protect the innocent.
I was starting to think that the last few episodes of this series were turning into a sort of “… And Then There Were None.” Fred dies and becomes Illyria, Gunn spends eternity going down into the basement for his daily torture, maybe the next episode Lorne could be dragged back to Pylea, and the episode after that Wesley realizes that he’s married to Alyson Hannigan in real life and just wanders off the set, etc., etc.
But if Gunn’s going to get out of suburban hell after all, then my theory is shot to hell even before it got off the ground!
I believe Gunn’s gonna be in a WORLD of PAIN! Angel commented that Lindsey looked pretty good for a guy tortured in hell, and Lindsey said that you get the Hell you think you deserved and asked how Gunn was making out.
All that guilt…Gunn’s burning… and if they leave him there…Angel and Co are failures first class.
This may have been discussed earlier this season and I missed it, but does anyone know exactly what’s different about Harmony’s face? It’s been bugging me since the first Angel ep she showed up in. New nose? Cheekbones? Eyes? She looks great, don’t get me wrong, it’s just that she looks different but better in some indescribable way.
I managed to miss Life Of The Party, The Cautionary Tale Of Numero Cinco, Lineage, and Destiny.
Draelin Thanks for the link. I’d like more information though. I still don’t know when Eve went into hiding and am unclear on a bunch of other stuff. Considering how minor details are often revealed as somthing important in later episodes, I want to get thoroughly caught up.
Eve went into hiding after Angel and Co figured out that she was working with Lindsey and let loose that parasitic thing in Angel’s office to give him bad dreams and suck his life force. But he remembered that it was her in his office, not a dream, and so they had her nailed.
Why they let her walk out of the office after that I don’t know, but they did. Apparently she’s been holed up in Lindsey’s place ever since. Lindsey went to W&H suburbia soon after that.
It’s never been explained about the relationship between the Lindsey and Eve. Clearly, she is more in love with him than he with her. His comments about dying to her seemed a little harsh. Maybe he really does care about her, but it sure looks to me like he’s just using her when needed.
{raises hand}. Heck, between his multiple scenes, I think I got through the whole song.
I hope the Wesley/Illyria scenese were setup for upcoming stuff, otherwise it seemed just fluff filler. There was some implication that Wes is remembering what he did with Conner (or maybe just “something bad” without more details yet). Illyria’s breakdown when Wes pushed her to to leave this dimension struck me as very Fred-like. The episode (last season?) with Fred’s college professor opening portals made it look like she got a very strong phobia about dimensional travel from her time in Pylea.
I was struck, in the opening credits, that except for one brief shot (and the power walk) all shots of Fred are gone and all that remain are shots of Ilyrea. It really forcefully brought home the fact that Fred is gone.
Props to Mercedes McNab for making the opening credits for the last few shows as well. I know I’m in the minority of those who’ve liked Harmony’s appearances on Angel and I’m glad the actress is getting the recognition of credit space.
Her inclusion makes Angel I believe the first show with a majority-demon primary cast.
I didn’t quite get Eve’s upset over losing her new-to-us immortality. She said she went to, um, where’d she go to college? It doesn’t seem like she could’ve been immortal for that long that losing it would be so devastating. Unless she was lying about going to college. Either way, kinda dumb.
Hey, DocCathode. I’m not great at making the pretty links like every one else does, but I think one of the best Angel sites I’ve ever found is www.cityofangel.com. There’s an episode guide there with detailed summaries and reviews. They also have some great articles archived and they seem to be able to get lots of interviews from Angel cast and crew. It’s a wonderful site–not official, but frankly better. Hope this helps.
Did anyone catch the fact that Spike was genuinely up for attending a genuine meeting - with beer, but hey, if the one person who cared enough about me to want to save me from being all ghosty and getting sucked into Hell after I died saving the world had her soul destroyed and some evil relative of Cthulhu moved into her body, I’d need a beer, too- until Angel said, “This isn’t a meeting, this is you annoying me”, then he immediately went into Annoy Angel Mode?
I liked the Wesley/Illyiria scenes. I kind of got the sense that, now that we know that Illirya is stuck in our world, Wes was preparing to set her up for a “No, people and other beings, natural or supernatural won’t worship you anymore, but if you’re really, really nice and help us fight evil, people, well, at least some people, will like you, which isn’t bad.”
The bit in Suburban Hell where all of the men walked out their front doors, picked up the newspapers, then picked up the kids’ skateboards from the lawn all at the same time was priceless. Makes me wonder just exactly how many people who have run afoul of the SP’s have been sentenced to torture in this particular version of Hell.
It wasn’t retooled. The only change was the addition of Lorne’s scene, in the bar, when he was going on about how he tells people what they wanted to hear instead of the truth. In fact, IIRC, this episode was in the can before the cancellation was announced. I think they were starting on 18.
I think Wes and Illyria’s parts were there precisely because it wasn’t re-tooled. The character of Illyria was going to be explored very much in depth in S6, according to what I’ve heard, and have her own arc and everything. The plan for her, and this episode, was written with that in mind, and they were establishing her and her “God-King” ego.
As for Lorne, all he ever does is stand around, lol.
I think there was a lot of stuff going on in this epsiode, and I cannot wait to go home and watch it again.
Lindsay hates the Sr. Partners. Eve was created by the Sr. Partners. I figure Lindsay was blantantly and happily using Eve for his own agenda. And I miss Lilah so much. Seeing Lindsay on the screen really re-inforces how much I miss Lilah, lol.
Angel and Spike were just too wonderful for words this week. I loved at the end, their twin stances of narrow-eyed suspicion. They way they both jerked away from the sun. Spike’s “there’s a fire hell. And an ice hell. And um…” I felt bad for Angel when he said “Why am I alone?” I think that’s a rather ominous line. Man, I need spoilers for the final episode now, because this is killing me.
