Actually, no. The Bell Curve was disproven when researchers in numerous locales, (University of Wisconsin, University of California at Berkeley, National Bureau of Economic Research, and several other locations), studied the work, discovered that Murray and Herrnstein fudged their numbers to equate separate tests that tested different things, then pretended that they tested for the same results, truncated their graphs to produce "bell"s when the data was actually skewed, and actually included serious flaws in their statistical calculations.
However, I have noticed that nowadays practically every geneticist has disavowed genetic determinism.
The PDF link:
Then why are the goals of No Child Left Behind not being met?
Just because Murray’s book tells you what you want to believe does not mean that it proves The Bell Curve.
Poorly conceived and poorly implemented. They are no more being met in predominantly white schools than in predominantly black schools (or in predominantly Latino schools in either direction).
Learning is very much a cultural issue, rather than a genetic one.
Excuses. Excuses.
And here it is, the evidence that the crackpot is misusing even dubious research.
Not even the conservative Hoover institution sees the issue of race as the main problem with No Child Left Behind.
Even an excuse would be helpful for you not owning or explaining away the fact that genetic determinism is mostly for crackpots.
Irrelevant what you think about the achievements of black folk; the question is whether or not the Bell Curve was disproven; tomndebb asserts that the actual claims were fudged – something I’d have to investigate to verify – but Gould did, in fact, take the thesis of the book apart, piece by piece, and, metaphorically, killed it, lit the pieces on fire, and pissed on them. He showed that nonsense to be nonsense so very clearly that frankly you’d have to be an idiot or just a dyed-in-the-wool flautist clinging desperately to his flautist beliefs to try to pretend otherwise.
Published March 09, 2011 Associated Press
The number of schools labeled as “failing” under the nation’s No Child Left Behind Act could skyrocket dramatically this year, Education Secretary Arne Duncan said Wednesday.
The Department of Education estimates the percentage of schools not meeting yearly targets for their students’ proficiency in in math and reading could jump from 37 to 82 percent as states raise standards in attempts to satisfy the law’s mandates.
The 2002 law requires states to set targets aimed at having all students proficient in math and reading by 2014, a standard now viewed as wildly unrealistic…
Duncan said the law has done well in shining a light on achievement gaps among minority and low-income students…
“The reality is coming home that you can’t essentially demonstrate very little progress for ten years and then expect all of your progress to occur in the last two or three years,” Whitehurst said.
Paul Manna, a professor focusing on education policy at the College of William & Mary, noted that while there are specified goals, what is considered “proficient” in math and reading varies by state.
He said the rising number of schools not meeting the benchmarks could become unmanageable.
Yikes! I mean even if there are disparities in intelligence by race (which I think is a good possibility), surely you’d agree that culture plays a role. And when you look at the U.S. it’s hard to ignore other factors that would effect school performance other than native intelligence.
Exactly. If you want to make arguments about the genetic superiority of one group versus another, the American situation is the worst possible case. The groups in question are mixed with each other, and even today don’t share the same environment, for a variety of reasons.
Unfortunately for our resident race cranks, un mixed African immigrants to the US do better educationally than native white Americans. (I’m not making any claims for any kind of superiority here. Just that the picture is far more complicated than the race cranks paint it. )
Forgot the link there,
http://www.hoover.org/publications/defining-ideas/article/5543
Of course even in the FOX report there is no mention of race. There are problems, and those problems are hardly related to race, that issue is shoehorned to fit the sorry views of the crackpots.
So 82% of US schools are predominately black, eh? Or they have such a large percentage of black student enrollment that they, and they alone, would cause those schools to fail? Wow. When just 13% of the US population has that kind of clout, I guess “black power” is more than just a snappy slogan!
tomndebb, I’m not understanding your definition of “racist”. The word is not inherently an insult. If I say, “Bull Connor was a racist government official”, am I using the word in a disparaging way, or in a way that is historically accurate? If a guy calls me a nigger and I call him a racist, are we both in the wrong? And why should we view"racist" as a special no-no word, but continue to use “sexist”, “nationalist”, or “homophobic” with impunity. It makes no sense. Your position has a lot of holes in it.
We could do an objective experiment that might clear up the debate.
Gather a large group of randomly selected white Americans and sell them as slave labor to work on Chinese farms. Subject them to torture, rape, and outright murder if they resist in any way. Insist that the mixed race children that result from this situation have no rights as Chinese citizens and no claim on Chinese identity or culture. Indoctrinate them in an ideology which says that they are inherently inferior to the Chinese, and deny them the opportunity for education or advancement.
Do this for a hundred years, and give all the survivors IQ tests.
I’m sure you’ll volunteer your grandchildren, nieces and nephews for such a noble experiment. It is in the interest of science, after all.
Unfortunately the factors coalesce.
The way I see it is that the main problem with No Child Left Behind is that it will make teachers even less willing than they were to teach in low income, predominately black schools. Already, half of teachers in those schools leave after a few years. Punishing them for not achieving the same results teachers achieve with white and Asian students is unjust and preposterous.
Oh lord. Now it’s going to start the chorus of how that’s all in the past and why aren’t those people over it already?
Your proposed experiment is clever. However, it ignores the fact that blacks in the United States are more prosperous, and healthier than blacks in Africa, and that they have higher average IQs.
Both of us know that the 18 percent of the schools that are meeting the standards are almost exclusively white and Asian.
That may all be true. But to insist that the root of the problem is nature, not nurture, in this instance is absurd. Like I said, if if there were an underlying truth to disparities in racial intelligence, there are WAY too many other factors at play when you’re looking at NCLB. The dissolution of the black family seems like a blaring one.