Another day in customer service; or, "The Value of Time"

After six months in customer service, I thought to myself yesterday, this isn’t so bad, to be honest. At least, compared to my last job (a long story). I actually enjoy talking to a lot of these people who treat me like a human being and are sociable. Yet, every once in awhile a colossal asshole rises from the pack and adheres him or herself to my memory with a searing blaze of idiocy and malevolence. This is one of those stories.

Lately things have been worse. People are tense about the current situation in the world. (It’s very surreal to have little old ladies call and start freaking out about the war on the phone. I mean, we sell beauty products and acne medication, but they just can’t stop bringing it up.) People yell a lot, and get upset a lot more when they’re tense and worried. I understand this and I try to take it all in stride. I was briefly a 911 dispatcher, and I wish we used some of their training because I find it very helpful. I can usually calm down someone from completely flipping out and screaming to polite and even thankful in about a minute or two. It’s a handy skill.

Yet, there are some people who aren’t just upset about the situation or stressed about money. I can understand people who get a little miffed when they get a bill they’re not expecting or when their account is overdrawn because they forgot to allocate for an installment charge. Most people listen to reason. We get a lot of people who have simply misunderstood the situation, we explain it and they usually say “oh” and even chuckle; we make errors sometimes too, and we correct them. Most of the time everything is fine and dandy, and fortunately the company that we provide customer service for is pretty tolerant with issuing refunds, free products, and so on when appropriate.

I had a chap the other day though, let’s call him John Smith. He was one of those one in a thousand calls where a person just refuses to listen to reason. It gets to the point where I even wonder why they call, because they have already made up their mind!

Actually, John Smith (I never refer to name and call people Mr. or Mrs. or Ms. because we don’t know if it’s them calling or a family member, or whatnot, and also it’s really easy to mix up genders with some folks’ phone voices) insisted that he was DOCTOR John Smith. He pointedly introduced himself this way. “This is DOCTOR John Smith” (emphasis most certainly his). This always irks me. What do I care if you are a doctor? I am very happy you got your PhD or went through medical school or whatever, but you’re calling for your acne treatment and I don’t care who you are. You can work at Hardees part-time for all I care, you get the exact same treatment from me.

Anyhow, DOCTOR Smith informes me how VERY important he is right off the bat. He had a medical practice and his time is VERY important. He was so very interested in our product but we have wasted his valuable time and now he doesn’t want to buy it. Ok, I wonder, now why are you calling? If your time is so valuable, can’t you just dictate a letter to your secretary and have her mail one to us? But, oh no, Doctor My-Time-Is-Incredibly-Valuable proceeds to chew me out for a good twenty minutes.

Why, might you ask? Have we made an error on his bank statement, making him call a busy evening and wait on hold? Have we sent him the wrong thing? Does he have a damaged product? No, not that, it’s even worse: he was reading our web site and he wasted his time reading it for half an hour.

“I’m sorry you feel that way, may I ask why?” I foolishly venture.

Well, at that point he proceeds to tell me that he is going to contact the Attorney General because we are a SCAM. We malignly try to mislead people. Why? Because we are a subscription service, and it doesn’t say that on the front page. No, it says that on another page (and not in fine print either, it’s in BIG print). But, because he didn’t get to that page first, and because he was reading our lists of ingredients (which, for some reason, list just that, not how our services work!) first. Now, we’ve wasted all his Valuable Time and he demands compensation for it.

Let me explain a little here. We have an acne treatment that is used continuously. It is intended to be preventative, and it comes in a two month supply. When you buy at a certain price (a discount) you get them automatically every two months. I won’t lie and say the reason isn’t monetary, but a lot of it is because the product will go down drastically in effectiveness if people run out of it, wait two weeks to call and order and have it delivered, and start again. We are actually very nice about returns (even for stuff that’s been entirely used) and you can cancel it. We’ve been in business a long time and we are not a scam. However, people see this and they think that subscription automatically means scam – not being wary, which I can see, but that this should be automatically illegal or something. The good DOCTOR “Smith” apparently felt this way.

So, when he gets to the HUGE statement that says you ARE SUBSCRIBED TO A SERVICE, IF YOU DO NOT WANT MORE PLEASE CANCEL (which, amazingly, a lot of people miss. It’s like two sentences long in big print right above the “Order” button, as well as in huge print on the invoice, the welcome letter, and it’s in the catalog also) he freaks out and calls on the phone because we have wasted his valuable time trying to scam him.

I try to explain, you can CANCEL! He says, “Oh no, I know what will happen, I’ll be getting them forever and you’ll charge my card multiple times for the same package! I’m not giving you people my card number!” (Why on earth it’s ok to give a company his card number over the Internet without the subscription, but with is a SCAM, is apparently a nuance I was missing)

At this point he starts freaking out about how he’s going to “report us” to law enforcement, etc. etc. At this point we haven’t even charged him for anything. I can understand when people get a bit upset when they thought their kid cancelled but didn’t, or sent back a return with “cancel” on it but it arrived late and another package had been shipped already. But he starts in with the lawyer-talk and how he’s going to bring down our whole “scam”.

I try to interject that you don’t even have to pay with a credit card. We can take checks or money orders, and after the first package, if you fail to cancel, we send the packages out with bills. I can’t say anything because he constantly interrupts me. I get so far as “Sir. there is an alternative to paying by credit card–” and he starts again. After a few tries I just turn the volume on my headset down a bit and let him wind down.

Now he starts saying “I want the name of the president of your company, and I want you to transfer me to talk to him right now.” (This is 8pm on a Sunday night.) After being interrupted about ten times, I explain the president of the company is not available to take calls transferred from customer srevice. I personally don’t know the name of the president of our client’s company (we are a third-party customer service organization) and I don’t even have access to the corporate number. However, our policy is, if we don’t have the information, we’ll get it.

So, I explain to him, I’d be happy to take down his name and number and call him back with the best information we can provide. Alternately, I’d be happy to give him an address to mail a letter to that we can forward to the corporate office (really, it would not likely get as far as the CEO, it’s a huge corporation, but they do take customer mail quite seriously).

He declines and wants to talk to the president of the company right then. I explain again, this is simply not possible. He says “What, am I not IMPORTANT enough?” I wish I could say “yes”. What does he think? Do you think I can just pass the phone to him and that he’s sitting in the next cubicle?

He starts saying that I know I’m lying, that this is all part of a scam and that if it wasn’t a scam we’d put all the information right on the front page. I explain simply that this isn’t possible, we sell a lot products and we can’t have all available information right on the front page on our web site! It does say it very clearly in other places so that it would be impossible to miss before ordering unless you just didn’t read any of the information we provide. He says “No, you know why they do it, it’s because you’re trying to scam me”. At this point I even have to laugh a little bit and say “If we were trying to scam you, why would we make it so obvious to you before you even order or before we have any information about you?” I mean, if we were going to scam at least we would try to get your credit card number or name and address or something first, or else we wouldn’t be a very good scam, I think.

At this point he finally listened to what I said earlier and says, “You mentioned an alternative.” Aha! You are not hard of hearing, you are just ignoring me! So I explain the credit card number vs. check thing, and then he says “No, I’m sure I’d just get packages and return them and you’d say I’ve never got them”. This is wrong–if a customer says they’ve returned it over a certain amount of time ago, we credit back for the return. Besides, he could always get delivery confirmation if he was that worried. But, at this point, he doesn’t matter. We’re automatically liars no matter what we do.

So, now he starts making demands. “This is what you are going to do. You are going to send me this kit for the price advertised.” I say, “Ok, but that will come with the club membership.” He says, “No.” I explain again to him, as I’ve explained about ten times in the span of this conversation, you have a choice. You can get this discount for being in the subscription program or you can pay a bit more and get a one-time order. He says “No, I want the offer advertised.” I say “OK, sir, all of our advertisements explicitly say we have a membership included in that price.” He denies it; apparently because it’s not on the front page of the website, it doesn’t count. None of our policies count unless they’re posted right next to the name of our product visible at the top of the front page.

At this point I could probably have caved, thrown up my hands, and just taken an order and cancelled it later myself, but he had been such a jerk that there was no way I was going to go out of my way for him. (We shouldn’t be doing this anyway.) We don’t want the sort of people who are abusive to our customer service people and rant and scream until they get their way. Besides which, I didn’t trust him not to manipulate what I’ve said and get me in trouble later – after all I would have to enroll him and disenroll him, and he wanted to never be in the club at all. I’m sure some other customer service rep would make a mistake in how they presented it to him when he assuredly would call back, and say “So I see you cancelled your club membership…” and then he’d freak out again. He had been exceedingly rude and dismissive so far, so he was getting the policy line, and that’s it.

I explain it to him several times, calmly and politely. He starts to freak out and says “I want the highest ranking person there on the phone right now!” Oh really? Great. What a lot of people don’t know is that asking to talk to my supervisor makes my day. As far as I’m concerned, the problem is solved (I don’t have to deal with it anymore) and the senior reps who answer those calls understand that people will lie and try to get reps fired because they’re mad. I have absolutely no fear of that. My calls are often monitored; my direct supervisor knows I am never rude to customers. I explain that I’m not transferring him until I speak to the supervisor myself, and that I’ll wait on hold with them. (Most people wait on hold for a few minutes to talk to us, and we don’t want them to feel like they’re getting transferred around like a lot of the phone mazes out there, so for any situations like this, we always wait with them to make sure we explain the situation to the senior rep so that they don’t have to go through it all again and so that we can pick back up on the phone with them if necessary.)

However, I changed my schedule recently and I didn’t know that on Sunday evenings there aren’t always people available for supervisor transfers. D’oh. I wait about twenty minutes before I give up, not knowing this. Dr. My-Time-Is-Valuable is, of course, still on the line.

I explain to him calmly that nobody is currently available but that I would be, again, happy to have someone call him back directly with the information he requested. Apparently the twenty minutes in Hold Heaven have chilled him out because he actually accepts this (I really expected another ten minutes of bitching).

At the end of this call, absurdly, he is actually nice. After screaming at me and calling me a liar and a cheat, he now says “Thank you very much, I appreciate it” and hangs up. What the fuck? I guess he finally got it all in perspective.

I forwarded the message for a callback and I never heard from Dr. My-Time-is-Valuable again. It’s sort of anticlimactic, really. I wonder how long he’ll be a thorn in our sides before he gives up and finds some other company to dog. Maybe he’ll go after Planters because their mixed nuts have too many peanuts on them. After all, sorting through all those peanuts for the cashews must really waste his valuable time.

You have waaaay more patience that I would have. And you deserve a big raise and you need to give classes on how to deal with the Mr. Smiths of this world.

In a past life I worked at a big lumber yard like Lowe’s/Home Depot, and you would get all kinds of calls with people asking questions about the products. And then want to fight with you. Usually they got “I’m sorry we couldn’t help you, but thanks for calling”, very nicely, and a hang up. One time though, I did get one guy apologize when I asked him why he was giving me a hard time when I was just trying to help him.

I’m trying to study for an A+ exam, and there is a whole section on customer service. One point they make is you can’t please everyone, and you need to know when to cut your losses, say thanks for the inquiry, but no to their business. Mr. Smith probably was that guy. Hopefully you have bosses that realize that.

Just prior to getting on your company’s website, he had found out that his wife/GF/SO was cheating on him/going to leave him. Furious and upset at that, he thought something to the effect "It’s because of my acne, I’ll get some of that stuff that I see advertised on TV, then I’ll be so much more handsome I’ll “get my SO back/get a better and Cuter SO/”.

So he gets online, to get his mind off of it and to find the product and not being very technologically advanced (DOCTOR, or not), that he finds himself quickly frustrated. When he finally finds the “order” page and discovers that he has to “subscribe” to get the good offer, it makes him a bit frustrated and angry. But due to his previous (and much worse) life problems, his frustration escalates into a need to “make someone pay”.

Semi-subconsciously and under the guise of “finding out the info about this product” he calls your company.

All his life frustrations break loose on you.

Or, he’s just a jerk who treats all service people this way, and his “being nice” at the end was merely because he had gotten tired.

Either way, I think you’re a saint. Can’t believe you didn’t hang up on him.

Wow. Good job, fluiddruid. I can’t believe you were that patient- I would have snapped at him, and I’m usually very polite.

Good story, too.

Thanks for all of your support, everyone.

Actually, I’ve never hung up on anybody yet. There are people there who hang up on people several times a day, but after six months I’ve never even gotten there. I’ve only even threatened to do it once (I don’t tolerate people swearing at me) and they shaped up.

I have a long burning fuse, nowadays. After getting off the phone with this bozo I was a bit upset but it’s not so bad. I guess I’ve done enough work on the phone that it doesn’t bother me nearly as much as people being upset at you personally, in person.

After working as a customer relations associate (real title: Everyone’s Bitch) for a credit card company for a year, I feel for you. I’ve had more customers screaming in my ears than I can count in binary language. And when I started taking supervisor calls, I realized that they MUCH nicer when they think you’re higher up. Some days, I’d request to be put on supervisor calls simply because I needed a break.

Ahhhh…I’d say I miss the days of Customer Service, but really…I don’t:).

Ava

I can’t help but visualize Dr. Smith, the important man so eager for acne cream, as a scrawny man in a three piece suit whose head has been entirely enveloped in an Enormous Zit.

His rants were because the pus was eating into his brain…and as he shouted at you, his face became red and irritated. Large chunks of goo were shooting out of the top if his head & sticking to the ceiling with every shout.

He was nice at the end because the pressure had been relieved, but without more acne creme, he’ll be back…and worse than Ever!

(muah-hahahahaha!)

This was the point of the conversation where I would have won. I would have said something to get his attention (“you’re not a customer”), very politely, of course. If that statement got me a pause, my next comment would be, “The course of this phone call has given me no indication that you intend to purchase anything from us”.

More silence? “I’d be happy to give you the email address of our company CEO so you can have all of your questions answered. In fact, it’s right on the webpage. If you have any questions about billing, I would be happy to answer them for you.”

Hah…I’ve pre-empted him. Yes, our corporate CEO’s email address is on the webpage. However, these such calls usually end right there for me.

And, yes…our corporate CEO does read all of his email…and I’m sure he gets a lot even after his “spam agents” have gotten through with it.

But, truth be told, I love to have fun with people who have short tempers. The trick is to piss 'em off in a way they can’t get pissed off at (if that makes sense).

Great story, by the way…the perfect rant. My favorites are the ones that try to poke fun at a trying situation. Good job.

You wouldn’t happen to be selling ProActiv Solution would you? It sounds like it from the description. If so, let me just say that at least for me, that shiat gets the job done. I’m sorry you had to deal with this self-important dope and you have far more patience than I.

ElwoodCuse: I probably shouldn’t say what company I work for. We’re not so huge as, say, saying you work for Wal-Mart or something where there would be no chance of connecting a person to it. No offense meant by this, though, and glad that’s working well for you.

Today was trying, again. I got a woman who was very upset with me because we sent her a package. I could never figure out quite what she wanted because she was very nice at the beginning, but then freaked out about how it’s because we’re American that we’re screwing her and it’s the cause of this whole war thing, and how so many Canadians don’t like us, or something like that. Honestly, I was so bewildered that it’s mostly a blur. I kept explaining everything and asking her what else she even wanted done, but she wouldn’t say, she only said it was the American Way to value money over people. ??? I reviewed it all like 10 times because I couldn’t understand what her deal was. She said herself she placed the other, we sent the order, and I explained she could even return the order if she didn’t want it, but she kept getting madder and madder about how America is this huge problem and this issue epitomizes it without ever telling me what the issue was. Hell, I probably would have credited her for something if she had asked me rather than just blowing up at me because I like in a country she finds objectionable at the moment. I really don’t get some people. Do Canadian companies not try to make money too?

It’s been pretty bad recently, what with a lot of people projecting their anxiety onto us. I’ve gotten a lot of calls with people in the last week who literally say the war is the reason that they’re cancelling – it’s just too frightening or trying for them to keep ordering their usual stuff. I even had a scammer who said I should send him free stuff “what with the war, and all” and because we’re American, and we should be generous to him because he’s from the “Holy Land”, or something like that. (Note: he was lying and trying to get free products sent due to problems with a supposed account, and that was his response when I called him on it that he had never purchased anything from us in remotely recent memory as there’s nothing in the system for him.) No, he didn’t get anything. Sorry, not driving prices up for the paying customers, thank-you-very-much.

I worked doing traffic studies for a small city near by and it was amazing the automatic hostility that people had. They came in automatically pissed off and so geared up for a fight that they were bound and determined to get one come hell or high water. No wonder they get bad service.

I recently had to have my soc. sec. card replaced and mentioned that to the woman helping me and she started talking about those people too. I often wondered if those sorts of people expect a hassle because that’s how they treat others and they assume that everybody is like them.

If there’s a library near by, you might get a kick out of the tapes (or CD) Coping with Difficult People. The “Sherman Tank” is probably the one you encounter the most. I’ve never practiced any of the techniques myself, but that might be because I don’t care what people think and (according to some) I’m evil. (Someone once told me that I was the person who was least likely to be ostracized while at the same time the person who would care the least if I was. :cool: ) Anywho, I listened to the tapes on a road trip with my mom and they were pretty interesting. For example, when you have the type who constantly interrupts you and tries to steamroll you, you have to break in and say, “Doctor Smith, you interrupted me,” and then continue on with what you were saying. Don’t act angry, but keep repeating as often as needed.

Oh yeah, when someone tells you that her time is valuable, you can give her this link so that she can figure out exactly how much in dollars.:slight_smile:

I worked doing traffic studies for a small city near by and it was amazing the automatic hostility that people had. They came in automatically pissed off and so geared up for a fight that they were bound and determined to get one come hell or high water. No wonder they get bad service.

I recently had to have my soc. sec. card replaced and mentioned that to the woman helping me and she started talking about those people too. I often wondered if those sorts of people expect a hassle because that’s how they treat others and they assume that everybody is like them.

If there’s a library near by, you might get a kick out of the tapes (or CD) Coping with Difficult People. The “Sherman Tank” is probably the one you encounter the most. I’ve never practiced any of the techniques myself, but that might be because I don’t care what people think and (according to some) I’m evil. (Someone once told me that I was the person who was least likely to be ostracized while at the same time the person who would care the least if I was. :cool: ) Anywho, I listened to the tapes on a road trip with my mom and they were pretty interesting. For example, when you have the type who constantly interrupts you and tries to steamroll you, you have to break in and say, “Doctor Smith, you interrupted me,” and then continue on with what you were saying. Don’t act angry, but keep repeating as often as needed.

Oh yeah, when someone tells you that her time is valuable, you can give her this link so that she can figure out exactly how much in dollars.:slight_smile:

I was in Customer Service for 5 years, I feel your pain. Sometimes, people who call in are just lonely frustrated people who have worn out their welcome with those around them. People who know them just refuse to listen to them anymore. I use to get whole family histories before getting to the actual problem.
I had others who thought that you were supposed to yell at the CS Rep. Isn’t that how you do it? That’s how they do it on TV! Once these people realized that I was not a punching bag, they changed their tune quickly enough. I did have to get rather forceful at times, but in 5 years I had only one customer that I couldn’t handle.
But, I digress.

fluiddruid - you did a wonderful job with this wacko. I admire your patience with this guy.

fluiddruid, you have the patience of a saint.

Damn right its a handy skill. How do you do it? Seriously. Is it something you can attempt to sum up without taking up too much of your time.

It would be very helpful where I work, and for a lot of other people, I’m sure.

In my experience there are two main factors to it. Mostly it’s about making them see that you’re a friend, not an enemy. Whenever someone gets cross with me (I’m also a CSR) I usually let them blow off a little steam and then explain calmly that I understand why they’re frustrated and that I intend to help them solve their problem.

The other aspect is ego removal. The people in my office that get all hot whenever anybody’s short with them hate our job because they take everything personally. It’s them vs the customer and they always have to ‘win’. That’s a terribly negative way to look at things but I find it’s all too common. It doesn’t take that much patience, just an understanding that it’s not you they’re upset with (unless it actually is). Ultimately you and the customer are always on the same side. In the end, you both just want to never have to talk to each other again.

The most fun I ever had in customer service was a call I got while doing tech support for Microsoft.

The guy wanted to talk to Bill Gates. He was concerned that the red and the blue leaking out of his monitor were going through him and affecting his brain.

After getting my supervisor to monitor the call (mostly out of a sense that he needed a good laugh this particular evening) I had the guy on the phone for over forty minutes before he got obscene and I had to hang up on him. By that time, there were four supervisors listening in. Funny, bizarre stuff.

Heh. That sound like my ex-boss, who was also a collossal asshole. Whenever, in dealing with another company, anything didn’t go exactly his way, he’d demand to speak to the president of the company. Of course, this almost never worked. The most he’d get would be the number for the corporate headquarters, which he’d call, only to get an executive secretary or something, whose main job was to ensure that her boss never had to speak to assholes like him…

I actually don’t think it mattered to him that all his bitching and cursing never got him anywhere—he just loved the confrontation. As I said, he was a collossal asshole, and he’s the reason I’m so glad I don’t work there anymore.

This guy is one of my clients! I’m sure of it. Why he thinks being a doctor will improve or degrade his internet service and/or tech support experience is incomprehensible to me.

I had a guy explain to me that he was a lawyer and he made $150 p/hr and that he was going to bill me for the time he had to spend on the phone with me.

And now you know why you can never get a CSR when you need one. They’re all having a good laugh at the wacky customer and thus failing to help the person with the legitimate problem who needs help.