Even when I’m stating in no uncertain terms that the officer was wrong, it’s an “apologia”, apparently.
It doesn’t, but somehow it has a way of turning into that over time.
If so then yes indeed, it will be interesting to see what a jury would make of the claim that the victim raising his hands and falling down constitutes an attempt to flee.
BTW, would you mind showing us your credentials that make you such an expert on police behavior?
Wait, he’s reaching behind his computer~~!!
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Well, when you couple it with saying the victim’s wrong, too, that’s what I’d call an uncertain term, see as how we’re all disagreeing with you.
Well he might have been mole people, or a Morlock, you don’t even know ! And seeing as his first reaction upon getting shot at was immediately to raise his hands and drop, I think there’s a very reasonable suspicion that he was preparing to tunnel away at high speed, then turn right at Albuquerque.
“Stop being black?”
I never said the victim was wrong.
Nice blaming the victim mentality.
Honestly, it was a seatbelt violation. The cop had no reason to think the victim was doing anything other than what it appeared he was doing. If he thought the victim was being a threat, “Stop moving” would have been appropriate until he assessed the situation.
The cop asked him to get his ID, he reached around to get his ID. WIth that trigger-happy a cop, there is very little anyone could have done to prevent him from going off. He could have perceived anything the victim said as argumentative, sarcastic, a lie etc.
The onus is not on the average citizen to say the magic words to keep a cop from shooting us during a seat belt check!
Unfortunately, he probably didn’t realize he was dealing with a panicky cop until after he was shot!
Well, that’s not really practical advice at the moment you find yourself in a law enforcement situation.
I’m not blaming the victim. I’m saying that the fact is that some cops are edgy and less than perfect professionals and there is a chance that one might jump the gun and shoot you for an innocent move that he wrongly took to be an act of aggression, and so basic self-preservation dictates that one should behave cautiously, to help reduce your chances of becoming a victim. If I suggest that you should lock your door in order to prevent burglary, am I blaming the victim? If I suggest that you look both ways before crossing the street in order to avoid being hit by a car, am I blaming the victim? What’s the difference between those things and suggesting that you act calmly and clearly state your intent when dealing with a police officer in order to avoid being wrongly shot?
We have to live in the world that is, not the world that should be. Believing that bad things shouldn’t happen doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take steps to minimize your risk.
“What were you doing that a cop had to pull you over?”
Well, in this case, he was apparently not wearing his seatbelt.
Ah … the gateway crime to aggravated armed mopery and such.
You are a piece of work.
Except when you did.
I’m with you. I doubt he said “black person”.
But that’s not victim blaming. Duh. It’s just saying that the victim should have known he’d be shot for it.
I’ve always been told that an armed society is a polite society; to which I always reply, “bullshit.” An armed society is a paranoid society. This clip proves it. Guns are so goddamned ubiquitous in this country that every scofflaw who fails to buckle up is automatically assumed to be armed and therefore fair game for a lead salad.
To be fair, Smapti did not actually blame the victim. He made comments that would come off as victim-blaming if they were made in a similar case in the future or in a different tone, and he constantly blames the victims of police violence or government misbehavior. But he didn’t quite go there this time. I don’t know if he will go there the next time this happens, but I don’t blame people for being shocked.
None of us really wants to see that goatse pic again.