Show me where I ‘excoriated’ the two men, or where I lauded the actions of the manager. Or admit that you either lied or have your head so far up your own ass you have to roll down the street.
A couple of points based on a few things brought up about the Starbucks incident:
The store is in a largely white area of Philly and mainly serves white people.
Is there any account of the men being belligerent or hostile other than the manager’s? AIUI, the videos and the white customers accounts say they were reasonable and non-confrontational.
At least one employee claims the manager does not like black people.
ETA: The policy at every Starbucks and similar chains/ indy coffee shops I’ve been to is to be very lenient towards loiterers. If the store had a strict non-loitering policy, ok, but that’s not my experience with urban coffee shops. Hell I’ve been in sit down restaurants where I’ve told the staff that I was waiting on people and would order when we were all present and was told that was fine.
I would still like you to point out any links that show that the manager asked the men to leave before the police were called.
I’ve used Starbucks as a meeting space with clients for about 13 years now, and, while I generally do try to buy at least a coffee, there have been many times nobody bought anything and we’ve never been hustled out, asked to order, asked to leave. That’s actually part of the reason I continue to patronize Starbucks, that they’re lenient about that sort of stuff. (Or at least the ones around here are.)
The manager called the cops just 2 minutes after the scary black guys arrived. That’s not enough time to politely ask for their orders.
Maybe, for a Canadian, politeness is so ingrained an assumption that it didn’t occur to Sam that it might not have been present?
We’re going to need an omnibus thread soon:
Golf club apologizes for calling police on black women members
You left off the bit where the manager, having refused to give them access to the bathroom because they hadn’t bought anything, gave access to the bathroom without question to a white guy who walked in and hadn’t bought in either.
But as Sam says - who knows what really happened? The two men could have threatened to rape and murder everyone in the store. They could have shat on the floor. They could have pulled out an AR-15 and then eaten it before the police arrived. There’s no evidence for any of this but I’m sure we (or at least he) could continue to manufacture hypotheticals to justify what happened. I mean, if I as a white guy had shat on the floor of a Starbucks I would have been arrested too, therefore it wasn’t racism.
There are lots of more ambiguous incidents to choose from. To pick the one that has so much compelling evidence of racial discrimination is weird.
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…[True story that just happened yesterday. My wife teaches in a high school that two of my daughters also attend. Shortly before the kids were about to be let out, a couple of young (20-something) black guys wandered in with pants down low etc…/QUOTE]
A couple of things:
A) What does “pants down low etc.” mean? I’m guessing you mean they had the whole negroid package going? and
B) I don’t believe your story.
Another incident (reported by the individual involved on Facebook so apply appropriate filters): a black police officer searching a crime scene between two houses for bullet casings in the dark, gets the police called on him because “a black man in police clothes” was “shining a flashlight into people’s windows”. If true, even black officers aren’t immune to this shit.
Their preferred term is “ghetto”.
Ghetto is the term they use when they think they are being politically correct. When no one’s looking, I suspect he uses another term.
Well you guys are certainly valiant fighters in the war against racism. So you can feel good about yourselves over that, if nothing else.
Better than the alternative, certainly.
Sides have been picked. Where do you find yourself standing?
How do *you *feel about yourself?
I suspect he feels fine. Most supercilious smarmy racist dipshit trolls do.
Well, how are they going to show off their negroid packages without their pants down?
That construction doesn’t work well IMO. If applied evenly it means African Americans also shouldn’t be ‘sensitive snowflakes’ to perception of racism that might not really exist, in a particular case (no reasonable person denies either that racism exists in some cases, nor that unfair or all-too-convenient accusations of racism exist in some cases).
I doubt you’d really want to apply it both ways. Not that applying it both ways would be categorically outrageous, again people perceiving themselves the target of racism definitely can over react, in some cases. I just doubt the kind of people who say you ‘just have to live with it’ about being unfairly accused of being a racist would typically say you also might have to just live with being the target of actual racism.
How about you shouldn’t have to live with either one. At least as a goal.
I didn’t follow this particular act of the Race Morality Play in the details like evidence the manager treated other people differently or acted wrongly in general. Which she (it seems it was she) might have, and that might have been consciously or unconsciously influenced by race. Or might not have, AFAIK. Just to say, something becoming a social media cause celebre means zero. There should be no default assumption that social media reactions to things are reasonable or proportional.
Your contention is that people should just accept having the police called on them and be taken off to jail, because to do otherwise might make someone feel uncomfortable about confronting the possibility that they have unconscious racial biases.
Yeah, but’s it is white people with the uncomfortable feelings. That’s way more important than black people being uncomfortable by being taken to jail simply for sitting in a coffee shop.