I’m more interested in what the Canadian Cancer Society has to say on the subject than what you have to say. The Canadian Cancer Society, along with Health Canada, the Surgeon General of the US, all the folks at JAMA, and the New England Journal of Medicine, to name a few, feel that smoking DOES cause cancer - that the case has been PROVEN, scientifically. None of these places have agendas, other than health and you’re fooling yourself if you think they do.
That being said - believe whatever you want. I’m assuming that your tinfoil hat is comfortable.
Wow, nothing brings out the self-rightous, indignant, nasty side of Alice like a smoking thread.
I admit that my “smoking doesn’t cause cancer, it increases the likihood of getting it” nitpick was just that, a nitpick. I at no time, attempted to claim that you couldn’t get cancer from smoking. You can get cancer from a plethora of sources. That also doesn’t mean that every single time you engage in any one of those sources, that you’re going to contract cancer. It’s the eqivalent of running up to someone sitting in the sun and screaming “what the fuck are you doing?! You’re gonna get cancer! CANCER CANCER CANCER!!” Yeah, prolonged exposure to the sun increases your risk of skin cancer. That doesn’t mean that everyone who’s ever laid out in the sun is going to wind up with skin cancer. You see my point?
And Alice, why don’t you calm the ever loving fuck down before you break something. It’s quite funny to see you reprimand someone for telling a personal ancetode to futher their argument when you bust out with your own (your aunt, your place of work, ect.) whenever the subject comes up. Hypocritical much?
The issue of children came up from your laughable defense of keeping this issue alive for the “sake of the children” who may decide to smoke from reading this thread. Give me a fucking break. I’d love to see a kid reading this thinking to themselves “hmm. Do I want to become a smoker? I’d better get all the facts and make a informed decision about this.” Come on. And then coming at blonde, telling her she’s a bad role model for her kids? You started with the personal attacks and ancedotes, then cried foul when others pulled the same stunts, accusing them of having weak arguments because they employed those tactics. Well, what does that say about yours?
God, are people still trotting out that tired analogy? You know perfectly well we wouldn’t even be having this conversation were it not for the fact that cigarettes produce SMOKE, which is subsequently inhaled by those around the smoker, whether they want to or not.
If you go to a restaurant, and the obese person at the next table starts shoving his food in YOUR mouth, and claiming he has a legal right to do so, then you might have a reasonable analogy.
And PA, you are clearly in denial about the link between smoking and cancer.
lezlers - I’m calm. I’ve always been calm. Cool as a cucumber.
I mentioned my cousin because from the tone of his post, I got the impression that lite assumed I’d never lost someone I loved to drunk driving - not the case, therefore relevant to my response.
However, if you care to explain to me how lite’s parents dying from cancer, caused by something other than smoking, is relevant to a discussion about smoking causing cancer, please do, 'cus frankly, I’m stumped. The plural of anecdote isn’t data. Never has been, never will be. In case you’re blind, you’ll notice that I supported my anecdotes with a number of cites from reputable sources. lite, PA have yet to do that, instead insisting we should just take their word for it.
And lezlers - I’ve noticed that you’ve been quite a shrew on the boards lately - perhaps it’s YOU that needs to get over herself. Just a thought.
I can cite any number of factual studies showing the distinct link between cancer and smoking. I’m talking controlled clinical studies with hard data. You want to argue with that, go right ahead, but that doesn’t say much for your intelligence level.
I’m not weighing in against smoking.
but I do have a question for the smokers. What is it about cigs that require people to light up immediately after eating? I mean, for Zog’s sake, you can’t wait the extra five minutes it’ll take to get OUT of the freaking restaurant after paying?
I realize that now I’ll get flamed for that one. You should be allowed to sit there and relax in the restaurant as long as you like, sure.
I always ask for a table as FAR away from the smoking section as possible, though. My husband and I are VERY allergic to tobacco smoke, so unless I do ask, while YOU are sitting there blowing your smoke at me, WE are bolting for the door instead of maybe getting a dessert and sitting and enjoying OURselves for a little while. Because we cannot breathe when you are blowing your smoke at us. And yeah, it even gets to us sometimes when we’re on the FAR FAR other side of the building and YOU are the only one smoking.
Yep, that’s my responsibility. To ask for a seat FAR FAR away from you.
Kinda tough, though, in restaurants that are only a dozen tables big. OR when Mr. I-should-be-entitled-to-smoke-whereever-the-hell-I-want-to sits down and USES HIS WATER GLASS as an ashtray.
Yes, I’ve seen it. Yes, I’ve asked him to move. Yes, I’ve asked the WaitStaff to ask / tell him to move. YES, I’ve seen him be a total ass about it.
I don’t care if you smoke. I truly don’t. Just please don’t get all pissy with ME when I ask you politely to MOVE or at least blow the smoke away from me. Yeah, me, the one sitting in the NON-smoking section. Yep, the section you’re blithely waving your cigarette at. That’s your fourth one in as many minutes, by the way - have you ever thought of everything you could afford if you’d just stop smoking those things?
Perhaps you didn’t see the sale they had on the full uniform with matching armband on a now defunkt Truth associate website. I assume they’re affordable, but not free. The published price was in Red Chinese, Cuban & Saudi Currencies and I don’t know the conversion rates. But with all the money you save not having to lay-out $8 a pack on those nasty cancer sticks, I’m sure you can well afford them.
I guess your definition of “direct” is different than that of some of the rest of us.
I consider getting smacked around by a drunk PRETTY DAMN DIRECT. Getting evicted because the old man blew the rent money on booze. Direct effect. Man drinks, family ends up in the station wagon. Cause and effect.
Ditto for having a drunk driver wipe out my loved ones, alcohol Definitely, and directly effects others.
If you MUST have it be an effect of proximity, then consider the nasty breath of a drunk. That’s a direct intrusion.
What would you need before you’d believe it? I mean, the links posted are from medical and/or solid reliable educated sources. How much more proof is needed?
Because he/she’s arguing that smoking doesn’t automatically result in cancer. That it can be caused by other things. I thought that was fairly obvious.
If you’re referring to any of the BBJ threads, I felt as though I explained myself quite extensively in those threads. If you’re referring to another thread, then feel free to take it up with me via email or just pit me, as to not hijack this thread, I’m very curious as to how I’ve been a “shrew.”
CanvasShoes - not every person who drinks, drinks to the point where the consumption affects others. If I have a glass of wine with my dinner at a restaraunt, get driven home by my SO and go to bed, my drinking has affected no one.
If I have a cigarette after my dinner at a restaraunt, assuming I exhale, all the other patrons in my vacinity have to inhale the smoke too.
CanvasShoes - not every person who drinks, drinks to the point where the consumption affects others. If I have a glass of wine with my dinner at a restaraunt, get driven home by my SO and go to bed, my drinking has affected no one.
If I have a cigarette after my dinner at a restaraunt, assuming I exhale, all the other patrons in my vacinity have to inhale the smoke too, not to mention the wait staff, bartenders, bus-boys, etc.
