Alice, it’s obvious that I’m not conveying this point clearly: I AGREE WITH YOU THAT SMOKING SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED IN PUBLIC/CONGESTED AREAS. My point was that if it IS allowed, non-smokers should avoid the “smoking” areas.
Nope, never tried crack. And I’ve seen a lot worse than the “f” word thrown around on this board.
Blonde - great - you don’t smoke while others are around. You’ve made your point perfectly.
I was pointing out why your attempt to associate smoking and over-eating or alcoholism is flawed. Thats it.
Second - reading about goat-felcher, asshat, calmel clit, shit muncher, donkey fucker, etc won’t cause health malidies. Reading threads about choice of masturbation place, style, frequency, duration won’t either. Nor will reading threads about sex, homosexuality, oral-pleasure, bum sex or “fisting”. Really.
Well. You’ve made your point as well. I have young children, and if you did, you’d understand why the topics you’ve mentioned wouldn’t be something you’d want your teenager to read. The concept that a young person would start smoking because of a thread on this board is just ridiculous. And, what’s flawed about associating smoking/alcoholism/over-eating? Addiction. I’m not thrilled that I’m a smoker, happy that it’s under 10 a day.
Not trying to pick a fight here, Alice. Let’s call it a night.
I don’t have a habit because inhaling large amounts of it is disgusting and makes me sick, generally I think it’s pretty gross. I don’t really mind it out in public though. Also, I’m not trying to convince anybody that it’s safe. Where did you get that? I’m merely saying that those who think it causes cancer cannot rightfully do so without knowing the facts themselves. And if you’ve been reading my posts, you would know that I don’t have evidence either.
You’re going by what the media has told you over the years. “Smoking linked to cancer!” they say, and you’ve eaten it up. Of course there are dozens of links, craploads of studys that theorize smoking is linked to cancer. I just don’t buy this one bit, especially after the funding for such studies… comes from anti-smoking groups. The studies I feel are slanted. How dare I view it this way! Afterall there are studies that say smoking isn’t related to cancer at all, smoking even has some benefits, but you won’t see any of those posted in the WOH studies, the world has already made up its mind I guess.
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**Sorry wring - no can do. There are young people who read this board who may be deciding whether smoking is the right choice for them. One of them could read PA’s bullshit and decide to take up the habit based on his total and utter tripe. **
Yep. Go ahead kiddies, toke it up. You can now say that because of little ole PA, you started smoking.
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This is a board dedicated to fighting ignorance - If PA has completely deluded opinions on the subject of smoking, fine - but he better either keep them to himself, or shut the fuck up.
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Who’s to say that your views aren’t ingorant? Why don’t you keep your views to yourself bitch? This is the pit you know and a subject has come up that needs debate, why would I shut the fuck up?
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It always comes to namecalling doesn’t it?
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And while your at it, I would also like some info on how HIV DOESN’T cause AIDS, bears DON’T shit in the woods, and the Pope ISN’T Catholic. **
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HIV and AIDS is something that is a fact that cannot be dabated, not theory. Most know this.
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Bears do shit in the woods.
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The Pope is Catholic. Unfortunately.
All i’m saying is, if smoking is linked to cancer why havn’t all the smokers contracted cancer yet?
alice_in_wonderland, I like it when your mad.
First PA, don’t flatter yourself. I’m not mad - annoyed at your willful ignorance perhaps, but not mad.
Second, I’m somewhat dumfounded by this:
See, Poopsie - that’s the thing - I DO have evidence and had you bothered to read some of my links - some of which are published by Tobacco Companies - you would know that.
Smoking causing cancer IS a fact, and not just becasue I say so - because everyone and there damn dogs say so.
You don’t like the evidence? Bully for you.
Personally, I’m more inclined to believe the practicing physician that’s posted in this thread who says it does. Not to mention the countless physicians that I work with at the Tom Baker Cancer Center, and the specialists I volunteer with at the TBCC’s smoking cessation program. I’m more interested in the opinions of those at Health Canada who feel that smoking causes cancer than I am of yours.
This doesn’t make me a bitch, it makes me intellegent.
And Blond - perhaps if you don’t want your children to be exposed to the sexual content of this board you should monitor their internet usage, and perhaps if you don’t want them to smoke, you should quit yourself and try to be something of a role model - just a thought.
Christ, only halfway through the first page and I already have to give some reminders.
Bryan Ekers, i realize you live in Montreal, but you’re way off. How would you know the kind of parents I had? In the U.S. we don’t call teh federal government mommy.
mhendo, I know the 4 areas allowed, but they are out of site of the action. BTW, I am an owner.
Whoever slammed me for the analogy to the guy downing the liquor, I ask you this; is it more dangerous to your health to breath a little smoke, or drive on a road with a drunk behind the wheel sharing it with you. Moron.
nothing worse than a reformed smoker. I hate the smell. too. That’s why I only smoke outside unless I’m in an area where smoking is likely. That’s why I was eating at the bar instead of a table, assholes.
Plus, if you smoked for 10 or 20 years, a whiff of my smoke won’t hurt you anymore than what you did to your fool self.
As for me, I love children. Every tax hike is justified by oaying for cchildren’s health care, when you quit smoking you’re writing them off.
Oh, and for obesity, I never said someone who is fat would affect your health, I said it would affect your insurance premiums ya friggin idiot. Learn to read.
Whoa! You are being a bitch - my children are very young, and have not seen the internet. Nor have they seen me smoke. Why is this such a hot topic for you? I understand you’ve had some bad days lately with the animals passing away, but perhaps it’s time to move on to another subject. You will not change anyone’s perception of smoking tonight.
Link? I’d like to read these. (bolding mine)
How do you know I don’t have children Blonde?
? Just hadn’t heard you mention children in other posts. Again, let’s call it a night.
Sealemon88, can you please get a fucking clue before positing?!?
Driving to work is a necessity? Smokers were around well before the internal-combustion engine. (back to trying to get through the 2nd page)
AIW, 99% of the time I think you’re right on in your arguments in various threads.
Slight hijack, but I’m sorry, you’re dead wrong about alcoholism not affecting people around the alcoholic in a direct way.
Spouses and children of alcoholics are frequently directly and adversely affected by their habits and actions, sometimes in a deadly way (drunk driving, spousal and/or child abuse).
The alcoholic can also directly and dangerously affect perfect strangers in a drunken stupor, either by drunk driving, bar fights, etc caused by their impaired judgment.
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Riiiight. Sure thing.
Actually, Blonde, I’m going to make a wild ass guess here - you heard that I didn’t have children in my pet death thread - I’m assuming this because you brought the thread up in your last post.
I think you were being purposfully insensitive when you said:
Clearly implying that as a non-parent I couldn’t understand much of anything about having them. Uh huh. You were using my childless status to try to win points in a debate that you’re losing - badly. You’ve justified your habit by comparing it to alcoholism and overeating, without a shred of evidence that the addictions are similar. You’ve gotten snitty about a debate about smoking - I assume becasue you’re a smoker and like to delude yourself that it’s not THAT harmful. You know what - if you didn’t want to debate then stay the fuck out of the thread. That seems pretty straight forward. You’re not even the OP for Christ’s sake.
Wanna know why this pushes my hot buttons? Dead relatives dying horrible, wasting, nasty drawn out deaths because of smoking. Working at a hospital and seeing cancer patients day in and day out. Volunteering at the smoking cessation program at said hospital and seeing the people with cancer trying to quit. I really don’t have much time for people who claim that smoking isn’t harmful, and that they don’t smoke “too much.”
Whatever. Smoke your brains out. But if you post that you do, and you post that you have children and you still do, you’ve just lowered yourself in my estimation. Period. If you’re young and single and carefree and want to poison yourself, go right ahead. But if you have children, you have an obligation outside yourself to make sure they have a mom and smoking is not the way to go about it.
Blonde get your kids out of the room. I never went this personal before but I’m reall torqued.
AIW, you are a cunt. My dad died on his 52nd birthday of 5 kinds of cancer. My mom just died in January of leukemia. Neither ever smoked. Show me the fucking proof of tobacco causing cancer!
And don’t give me the truth.com political shit. You don’t see a drunk as more dangerous than a smoker?!?
You stupid, stupid broad. Would my friend’s sister have died if the fucker was smoking instead of drinking?!? Would my aunt have maybe not died if the fucker was smoking instead of pounding a mobile keg?!?
Fuck you AIW
Cheers to you too lite.
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Unless you and I are hooked up to an IV, my alcohol consumption doesn’t directly affect you. Are there indirect consequences? Sure. But your alcohol doesn’t directly go into my blood stream - your cigarette smoke does. Period.
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My 16 year old cousin was killed by a drunk drive 2 weeks before X-mas last year. Decapitated, actually. Don’t you ever, every suggest that I don’t understand about drinking and driving. But guess what - the driver didn’t have to get in the car and drive. He could have stayed home and passed out in his own vomit. Direct effect on my cousin would have been 0. It wasn’t the alcohol consumption that killed her - it was the drinking and driving - two totally different things.
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Smoking does cause cancer. It’s not the only thing that causes cancer, but to suggest it doesn’t is childish and naive. I’m sorry about your parent dying, but what they died of has no bearing on this discussion, or the facts of smoking causing cancer, whatsoever. Perhaps you should start a MPSIMS thread to discuss their deaths. This probably isn’t the place.
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Finally, lite - you started this idiotic thread claiming that people who get pissed at you smoking in a non-smoking area are morons. Uh, no. You’re the moron here. If you don’t want input on your retarded opinions, you probably shouldn’t post them in the pit.
As an aside FYI. No, I’m not a cunt. I have a cunt, but I’m not a cunt. I have 2 hot buttons - smoking and drunk driving, oddly enough.
Then you called AIW a c**t.
That was un-called for, lite, even the Pit has etiquette.
I think you owe AIW an apology.
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**First PA, don’t flatter yourself. I’m not mad - annoyed at your willful ignorance perhaps, but not mad.
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I know BS when I see it. You’ve got about a years worth of PMSing in your posts, and I can feel the anger sweetie.
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This doesn’t make me a bitch, it makes me intellegent.
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I don’t normally try to correct people for spelling and grammar usage. But this line took the cake. Its intelligent.
Funny I found this doing a google search. As cecil states, there are some studys that show links to reducing onset of Alzheimers. But none are factual. Just like all the studys that show cancer is linked, but again non of those are factual either. It’s a lose lose situation for both smokers and anti-smokers. I think we beat the shit out of this too much now. Like I’ve been saying the whole time, just because you think I’m wrong, doesn’t make you right. And I’m not saying your wrong or right, but don’t go telling people, “How could you smoke? You’ll could get cancer!” When information like this is completely false. My side to this is, I don’t know, so I’m not going to tell people whether or not they should smoke based on information that has yet to be proven. I can tell people that a bear shits in the woods though.
Oh for fuck’s sake. I cannot believe there is actually a moron left in the world who won’t believe smoking causes lung cancer. I’ll tell you what, numbnuts (you know who you are)–for every reputable cite you provide showing smoking doesn’t cause cancer, I will provide three showing that it does.
Holy Christ on a cracker, the level of ignorance being displayed here is appalling.
I’m sure you can. And for every three sites you link to show that smoking causes cancer, I will provide ten sites of people who believe there are ghosts (uncomparable, but you get my point.) Point being, just because they’re out there doesn’t mean that it’s factual.