Wait, what??? You mean there can be assholes that supported Hillary, that aren’t representative of Hillary supporters in general? Damn, that concept is rather unique considering the broad brush that the deplorables supporting Trump were painted with. 
Definitely. That’s why the quote was “100% of his supporters are a basket of deplorables”.
You can also say that I “have not condemned” the OP incident either, since I didn’t post that I condemn it, in those words.
You seriously want me explicitly say that I condemn it? Yes, I do. Both the incident in the OP and the one 8 years ago. I really don’t expect anyone on this board NOT to, in either case.
As for “tarnish” - well, some leftists keep insisting, every time something happens, that the right-wing rhetoric or “atmosphere” etc. is partially responsible. As far as I know, that kind of thinking is prevalent on one side of the spectrum and is not on the other.
Do you think the left-wing rhetoric or the atmosphere of hysterical exaggeration of Trump’s “evil” is responsible, partially, for the incident in Chicago?
Lol @ the poster who brings logic into this …
Will this thread trend now that the perps are charged with HATE CRIMES ?
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Gotcha. Liberals can not be assholes. The wonderful things I learn on this board.
The inequality here is just unbelievable.
If this were a black man…
There would be protests in many major cities and they would be entirely justified. Obama would have already made a statement condemning it. This young man could have been my son.
But it’s not. So we shrug it off as just another terrible and violent crime.
How could any rational person see that video and question whether it was a hate crime,? Yet that’s exactly what the Chicago police initially did.
I’m not that keen on the idea of “hate crimes” in the first place. I don’t think it really should matter what the criminal is thinking about while they are committing their crimes. Does thinking “gee, I really don’t like this guy” while hitting him really count as a more or less serious crime than thinking “gee, I really don’t like black guys” while hitting him?
I saw a press conference this morning where the sheriff (I think it was the sheriff) called this a “prank”. Seriously disturbing.
I was just pointing out that the lefties on this board were being condemned for not condemning this event before we had even heard of it.
But, yeah, good on you to be able to condemn “when your side does it too”.
Some of the reactions to trump may be responsible for amping up the rhetoric, and possibly nucleating acts of violence. But it is not an exaggeration of trump being “evil”, it is a reaction to the very specific things that trump himself has said. I know that if I were a black youth who trump has threatened with stop and frisk, I would probably be a little less rational than I might be if I were some middle aged guy typing at a keyboard, with virtually no concern about police harassment.
I am not excusing this behavior in any way, mind you, I am just pointing out that it does make sense for people in these situations to make less than optimal decisions as to their conduct.
But you are right, that sort of thinking is largely on one side. It is the republicans who threaten the safety and security of minorities, so there is going to be a reaction to that by those threatened minorities. And it is less about republicans, and more about conservatism in general. The minorities in the country have been oppressed in the past, and in many ways are oppressed now. Conservatives, by definition, don’t want change, and therefore, will push for policies that continue to run the system the way it is now, in a way that causes the minority populations to feel oppressed. So, it is less a fight against republicans as a party that they act upon, but more a rejection of oppression in general. That the republican party embodies this status quo of oppression is not the minorities’ fault, nor is it the party that wishes to improve the opportunities of those marginalized by society.
In the end, I will continue to condemn any acts of violence, by any person or group, for any reason. For what it is worth, I will especially condemn acts of violence that are carried out in the name of “my side”. However, while I may not like these incidents, and while I may condemn them in the utmost terms, I cannot be surprised by them. If a system is created that makes someone feel as thought they have no worth, no value, that they are a criminal just for existing, well, I cannot predict how someone like that will act, other than to say that they will not act in the rational manner that we may like to see.
Peaceful transition of power ?
The penalty may be stiffer, and you can try the perpetrator for two crimes instead of one, and have a better chance of conviction.
Of course they can. But the minute we find out, we tear up their membership. Where as conservatives make them POTUS.
We made Ike POTUS , the left made LBJ POTUS …
Yeah, but my problem is with prosecuting people for their thoughts, not their actions.
LBJ did an all time dumb thing (Vietnam war), but also some all-time great things (Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act).
It appears the assailants are indeed being charged with a hate crime. But I’m wondering what the long pause was about.
How is the bar of proof set, and how do they determine when the bar has been crossed, and when to classify as a hate crime? Do district attorneys gather in a room and debate,* “Well, he said N-word, so I think that’s a hate crime…” “Nahh, the N-word was only said once, it has to be said three times to count?”*
It is not their thoughts, it is their actions that they are prosecuted for.
If you do not think that their thoughts while committing crimes matter, do you also disagree about the different degrees of murder?
The point of hate crimes is that you are not just a single person acting against another single person, you are a group of people acting against a group of people, even if it is just one on one. It does more damage to the community than just one person having a beef with one other person, and that damage to the community is what the extra punishment is for.
Hmm. I believe you have a point.