You’re damn right it’s not good enough. You are risking the lives of your children and anyone they meet, based on your own wilful ignorance. You’ve been shown in this thread the scientific evidence that it’s safer to get them done according to the schedule, so you can’t even claim you haven’t seen it - you are deliberately trying to ignore it.
If I were king of the universe, people like you would have your children taken from you, and be sterilized for the good of the species.
Not 5, hundreds. Any immune system, from any living being that has one, contains and produces hundreds of antibodies constantly.
It’s not a factory with a single production line; each single antibody-producing cell can be making several at the same time.
Not ‘sort of’ at all. I live in the UK, remember? Wakefield’s claims were headline news as was the fallout. Here’s a story from 2013 about one parent’s experiences in 1998.
I don’t see how your post contradicts what I said.
Well, there are cells that produce only one type of antibody that is good against a specific antigen. But the body has antibody producing cells in the millions, and some antibodies are good against more than one antigen (which is a good or bad thing). And the body keeps a few cells that are really good against certain antigens around longer, as memory cells.
And it doesn’t do that all in one day, but in days or weeks, which is why boosters are not given until a couple of weeks have passed, at least.
The American Academy of Pediatrics has strengthened its stand on childhood immunization (I have bolded the important parts of its new policy statement released this week):
"The American Academy of Pediatrics…urges state governments to enact policies that will result in high immunization rates. In the policy statement, “Medical Versus Nonmedical Immunization Exemptions for Child Care and Schoo Attendance,” published (8/29), the AAP recommends only medical exemptions be allowed for vaccine requirements for child care and school attendance…If after counseling efforts are exhausted, parents decline immunizations, the AAP says pediatricians may request that they sign a vaccine refusal form and/or seek care from a different health care provider. Unimmunized children are at risk of vaccine preventable diseases and in a practice setting also create risk of disease outbreaks in young infants and those children who medically cannot be immunized.
The AAP has belatedly recognized that more pediatricians are turning away parents who refuse to have their children vaccinated (in part to protect other vulnerable children in their practice) and that such a policy may be reasonable and necessary. As to ending all but medical exemptions for vaccination, that’s going to be a tough state-to-state battle, and the path will be lined with “parental rights” babble, inane antivax claims and lawsuits. California’s SB277 is safe for now, but further challenges can be expected.
I’m sorry, I just can no longer let that statement pass unchallenged.
Anti-vaxxers are ignorant scumbags WHO kill children.
Okay, better. Carry on.
Is that the World Health Organization WHO or the Doctor WHO you are accusing of killing children?
Wow, take my kids away because I stretch out their vaccines. Sterilize me. I suppose I should be grateful I’m not put in a camp with “showers”. Its comforting to know that so many people in this country believe that the state owns the children and parents are mere caretakers. Ironically, the state doesn’t want to pay my, sorry it’s. kids bills. The thing I don’t understand is the anger people have towards people who delay or even refuse vaccinations. If your kids vaccinated then they are protected. Most of the angry people don’t really give a #@ about the other kids. If you’re worried about the fact they are getting a free ride with the herd immunity. So what? People are getting a free ride in our society with tons of stuff. I worked in an industry where people who didn’t work were getting 3,4, or 5 pairs of glasses a year for free because they kept losing them. Have a low paying job, sorry you pay.
Some people are unable to get vaccinated for other health reasons or are immuno-compromised. And vaccines aren’t 100% effective. So unvaccinated children put everyone at risk.
So, no, vaccinated kids aren’t completely safe and yes, unvaccinated kids put others at risk.
Children who are not vaccinated do not put everyone at risk. They only put a very small subset of people at risk. Those for whom the vaccine did not work as intended, those who chose not to get a vaccine (who probably get what they deserve), those who are immuno-compromised, and those who can"t because of health reasons. And of course, the unvaccinated child would have to have the disease and expose the others. Granted that if more and more people refuse to vaccinate that would increase the danger. But if I could get a higher compliance rate by increasing the time interval, I think it would be wise to consider.
I’m not sure how you’ve calculated this as a “very small subset”.
It would be “wise” if there was compelling evidence (or any evidence at all) that arbitrary delays increase safety while maintaining effectiveness of an immunization program.
But there isn’t.
Whatever the number of people at risk, its no way near everybody. The studies that people linked me to and others that I have found, do seem to show no short term effects and the only one I found also did not find any compelling evidence of long term problems. But most of the studies were concerned that multiple vaccines must be careful not to compromise the effectiveness of each individual vaccines. A reasonable assumption (by me) was that individual vaccines, given alone would be at least as effective and possibly more. And if you want to try to force people to do things, you create resistance and mistrust. If someone wants to space them out, you don’t call them stupid, call them lousy parents, say they shouldn’t be allowed to have children. You instead thank them as long as they get them before school. And this fake concern people seem to spout about being concerned about other peoples children who could get sick. These are the same people who send their kids to school sick with fevers and sore throats, because the adults have to go to work. There are children in school with weakened immune systems and breathing problems that a bad cold could cause serious problems. Maybe if a parent knowingly sends their kid to school sick, they should have their kid taken away and be sterilized (the parent, not the kid).
No, it’s only the folks most vulnerable and helpless that have to suffer.
My last post on this subject. I’ve been convinced that multiple vaccinations are the way to go. As a matter a fact, Monday I’m going to get every vaccination available. They have a human vaccine for rabies, too. Polio done, Smallpox, if I can find it. The flu shot, of course. And maybe I’ll see if anyone still has last years since the mix is different Repeat all my childhood ones, just to be safe. I think they have one for a form of hepatitis. Shingles done and done Since taking so many at one time may lessen their effectiveness, I’ll just repeat them in 2 weeks. After all, I’ve learned the human body can handle dozens of pathogens at once with no problems at all. What could go wrong? Maybe a little fever and arm soreness. Everybody should do it.
Translation: “I’m going to take everything said to a ridiculous extreme and pretend to be extremely idiotic…just to prove a point!”
The thing is, I doubt Visage is pretending. Also, the point he or she is trying to prove is already proven.
Deliberately ignoring scientific studies, evidence, and results, and instead choosing to do what he wants based on his “feeling”, ignoring possible effects, complications, and transmission to at-risk populations…he’s not pretending.
I know it’s already been commented upon, but this is a really, really ignorant statement, and anyone who would make it should not be making up vaccine schedules.
I have a cousin who is a family physician-- he treats individuals, but he likes to have whole families in his practice. He is a member of the AAP, but he thinks he gets a better picture of a child’s health if he is treating everyone in their household. He is very popular, and has a waiting list to be taken in as a patient. He will not take anti-vaxxers. He will not do “alternate schedules” either, other than for children with allergies who need to minimize exposure to adjuvants or cultures. I recently had a conversation with him about this, and I hope I’m not misquoting him. Anything that sound weird about that is probably me misremembering. Bottom line-- he’s a popular GP who does not take anti-vaxxers. I’m glad that he, and other doctors, are taking a stand. I have another cousin who is an orthopod. I think she’s contractually obligated to do follow-up with children who are treated in the ER for fractures at the hospital she is affiliated with, but she has some people who are regular patients. I need to ask her what her stance is on unvaccinated children.
I wonder what would happen to the anti-vaxxers if Big Pharma came up with a vaccine that prevented autism. 
I have a Facebook friend who is in line for a new job, but —horror of horrors—they want her to get a flu shot. She was actually asking for ways she could lie to her potential new employer to avoid it.
I just hid the post and moved on. Fortunately, she’s one of those people who absolutely loathes children and will not be procreating, so at least her innocent offspring won’t be affected.