Antifa is a left wing movement and therefore automatically “discredited” in the eyes of most Americans no matter what any of them do. Just as right wingers can kill anyone they please and not be “discredited”.
That was not the cite I was responding to that you were using to claim that the facebook group he was a part of was some sort of antifa. Try to keep up.
Hmm, never heard of him before, but he does sound like a gun nut to me, sure he’s not one of your buddies?
See, this guilt by association thing can go on all day, and is pretty pointless tactic for you to try, and all to avoid the question that you so desperately want to avoid, and that is whether you are anti-fascism, or if you are pro-fascism. I suspect that you will continue to avoid answering such a simple question.
Let’s see, your side has the KKK, the Proud Boys, the Nazis and the Confederates. You have people who shoot up churches and send bombs to news agencies and politicians. You have people who will threaten violence against their government in an armed standoff over grazing rights or over a conservation area, or to protect a white man from going to a rather cushy jail cell as a consequence of committing arson, to cover up evidence of poaching and endangering firefighters. In order to try to “whataboutism” your way into defending the violent facist bigots that you support, you have to create this boogieman of “ANTIFA” into some sort of super terrorist organization that gives out superpowers and free ponies. Otherwise, you may have a “Are we the baddies” moment of your own.
I’d like to see an answer to this question.
Are you, HurricaneDitka, anti-fascist or not?
No it is not.
Illegal entry is a misdemeanor.
Under a 1997 court order, unaccompanied youths arriving at the border could be incarcerated.
Under Obama, people who arrived with no claim for amnesty or sanctuary were deported. People who claimed sanctuary were released until their pleas could be heard. (Overburdened immigrations courts were still very slow processing them.)
Trump (Sessions) changed the arrival rules so that people claiming sanctuary had to wait to make their claim and the rules were changed to allow more to be called illegal immigrants instead of asylum seekers, then were locked up until their claim date came up, then, despite it being a misdemeanor, Trump and co. said that they could not hold their children with their parents, so ripped the kids away, pointed to the kids as (now) “unaccompanied” and put them in separate holding cells.
This is not the same system, despite the law-breaking rump administration’s claim. The same laws are on the books, but they are being twisted to cause as much harm as possible.
Antifa is a movement that wears masks, delights in street violence, and behaves nearly exactly like the Sturmabteilung they claim to be fighting against. I guess irony is dead.
They should be discredited. Along with the Klan, the New Black Panther Party, MS-13, and any other political group committed to using violence to attain their goals. Go ask Andy Ngo about them and their willingness to use violence against the non-violent
Enough Antifa groups around the Web are mourning this shithead as if he were a kindred spirit. The Left delighted in tarring anyone vaguely conservative, with the actions of the turd in Chancellorsville who ran over protesters. Don’t cry when the same thing happens to those on the left because some elderly burnout decided to start killing ‘concentration camp’ guards ahead of schedule.
Besides, relax. White guy, left-wing motivated, incompetent----can’t even get a good assault weapon banning from his actions: this guy’ll be out of the news by Tuesday.
of course not. A President is responsible for the security and well-being of his country and that includes the borders. This was not an issue with previous presidents but suddenly it’s an issue. Nothing has changed except the party affiliation of the President.
It wasn’t an attempt. What you said was flat out hateful racist bullshit. It was offensive.
About how many groups around the Web are mourning this guy? How many people do you think are mourning him?
and illegal.
This is bonkers. You can see the a’s in your own post right?
Hahahahaha! At least some one got shot to death, ammirite? Hilarious. Post a youtube link so we can all entertain ourselves.
Pure nonsense, there’d be corpses everywhere.
Of course we all know that the rule is if you are right wing you can rape, torture and murder with impunity to the cheers of the populace & approval of the law, while if you are left wing you’ll be condemned for violence if the people beating you to death bruise their fists.
I think it’s fair to characterize someone who is anti- anti-fascist as pro-fascist.
Except it has.
Woooooooosh!
That’s fair. But it seems strange to me that someone who is asked a direct question like “Are you anti-fascist?” wouldn’t answer it. I mean, it’s not hard.
OK, I finally got to a PC where I can actually copy and paste and put the right tags in.
So, I made the following core claims:
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[li]the US is currently holding undocumented immigrants in deplorable conditions[/li][li]Trump created this situtation[/li][/ol]
I will provide cites as requested to back up these claims.
The US is currently holding undocumented immigrants in deplorable conditions
In June 2019, DHS’s Office of the Inspector General inspected four detention facilities, finding:
A July 2019 report by DHS OIG, titled Management Alert – DHS Needs to Address Dangerous Overcrowding and Prolonged Detention of Children and Adults in the Rio Grande Valley states:
The report contains photos of the conditions, which appear to be squalid. The report details the inadequate food (some detainees were fed a steady diet of nothing but bologna sandwiches) and lack of hygiene.
In between the release of these reports, the Justice department argued in federal court that it had no legal obligation to provide soap, toothbrushes, or beds for detained children (NYT article).
By any reasonable standard, the US is holding detainees in deplorable conditions.
Trump created this situation
In March 2017, Reuters reported that:
John Kelly confirmed to CNN that the administration was considering this policy shift as a way to deter immigration.
Then, beginning in the summer of 2017, HHS OIG began recording a “steep increase in the number of children who had been separated from a parent or guardian by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and subsequently referred to [the Office for refugee Resettlement] for care”. This was approximately a year before the Trump Administration announced that the “Zero Tolerance” policy on undocumented immigrants would be implemented.
The the policy officially went into effect, marking a departure from previous administrations. As explained by Politifact:
These reports indicate that the law has long provided the option of detaining migrants prior to adjudication of their cases, but this was seldom done. The Trump administration began using this law to detain all undocumented migrants attempting to cross the border, resulting in overcrowding, poor conditions, and family separations. This was done expressly as a means of deterring border crossings.
Magiver, you stated that this is “virtually the same system in place from the previous administration”. I now ask you to support this claim.*
By this logic, if you are anti- the pro-life side (in abortion), are you pro-death?
That’s not very good logic, Velocity.
That is certainly the rhetoric of both sides of that argument. But I haven’t heard a good PR spin on those who are worried about antifa. The op wants to call them “terrorists”…but… redacted
I doubt you and I agree enough about who the fascists are in modern-day America to make an answer to that question worthwhile, and besides that, my position on fascists isn’t the topic of the thread, your (general you, I have no idea if you personally identify with Antifa or not) dead Antifa comrade is.
In other words, you won’t answer a direct question.