Please, oh please. DO tell us your definition of fascist/fascism, who you think ARE fascist, and how you identify. I’ll post a non pit thread for you to ignore shortly.
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21750700#post21750700
Not one as vague and nebulous as that. To too many on the Left, “fascist” is just the latest smear for everyone they don’t like.
That analogy doesn’t work, since antifa actually opposes fascism, while the so-called pro-life movement isn’t “pro-life” at all; they are anti-woman.
Antifa aren’t truly anti-fascist. They use violence to advance their political ideology. They might not be fascists but they mimic the methods of illiberal factions and are dangerous as well as dishonest and cowardly.
From my understanding, this freakin’ nutter is no more a paid-up member of Antifa as a lone Muslim nutter yelling Allah Akbah during an attack is an Isis-trained terrorist.
That is not to diminish the seriousness of the attack, but it really seems to be stretching it to include this person in some sort of structured organisation called Antifa.
So what? Plenty of political factions good and bad use violence to advance their ideology, that’s hardly something unique to fascism. Nazi Germany was destroyed with violence, not peaceful protest.
Lets have a look at that vague and nebulous question again.
My only quibble with this is I regularly hear that there is no formal structure or organization to antifa. If there is no “governing organization” then there is no guide saying who is or is not an antifa member other than self identification and expressing sympathies consistent with prior self identified antifa groups publicly expressed sentiments.
I suspect the real problem here isn’t that the question is “vague and nebulous”, because it’s completely straightforward. I suspect the real problem is that answering it poses certain major difficulties for HurricaneDitka that he would much prefer to avoid.
In other words, there’s really no such thing as (A)ntifa then. I’m pretty anti fascist just as a general political thing because y’know, fascism is pretty abhorrent and all. But does that mean if I choose to demonstrate at some rally or whatever that I am a representative of the Antifa ‘movement’ that doesn’t actually exist?
The shithead was a wife-beater. Can people stop defending him now?
Exactly, if he answers “yes” then by his own logic he is also Antifa since he is anti-fascist, if he answers “no” then he’s pro-fascist.
I missed the part where people were defending the guy. Was there another thread for that?
… and this
But besides that, nothing at all has changed, right?
That is, after all, the definition of “fascist”: people who use violence to advance their political ideology.
And a person who attacks what he sees as a concentration camp, in broad daylight, knowing that he risks his life doing so, is cowardly.
Good show, octopus.
Lefists across the internet have been eulogizing him, calling him “comrade” and telling him to “rest in power” when it was already known that he was a domestic terrorist. Why would his history of domestic violence change their attitudes about him?
There used to be plenty of violent antifascists in, say, 1920s Germany. They were called “Communists”.
Can people stop defending the separation of families and incarceration of immigrants under deplorable conditions?
The main difference here is that even this dude’s staunchest defenders would admit that beating his wife is a bad thing that he shouldn’t have done.
The Orange Asshole’s defenders think that locking up little kids in cages is A fucking OK. So, yeah, tell us again that people should stop defending a guy who was accused of hitting his wife.
See Derleth, they don’t care.
Hold up. HurricaneDitka, I just want to be clear. You’ve accepted as a standard of proof of a crime that someone has denied committing the crime? You don’t even have to hear the victim accuse them of a crime, you just have to hear that they have denied an accusation, and you accept that they’re guilty of whatever they’ve denied?
Is this something you accept for all crimes, or just crimes supposedly committed by leftists?